((OOC- as the title says, this is specifficlly for the Trial of Refusal the Steel Vipers started. For those who need a reminder, the vote being refused was that the Fire Mandrill offshoot calling itself 'Clan Camel' was to be offically recognized as Clan Camel. Also, it would be protected from ALL Trials of Possession, untill the Grand Council decided otherwise.))
Diana nodded, knowing full well it was coming as soon as the Viper Khan had spoken so vehemently against the vote. As she looked at the voting tallys to ascertain the odds against in the coming trial, she was reminded of a similar Trial of Refusal, where 3 warriors attempted to overturn the Jade Falcon Council. She secretly hoped this Trial did not have a similar outcome.
"Khan Perigard Zalman has issued a Trial of Refusal against the vote in favor of Clan Camel. The odds against are 3:10. Khan Perigard Zalman, with what forces do you intend to use to fight your Trial?"
"IlKhan, Clan Steel Viper has prepared its force for this trial, data and codexes of the warriors are uploading now. I will personally be leading a binary of the Triasch Keshik. I am currently just outside the Inner Sphere, but can easily reach several Clan's Inner Sphere holdings. Although the parameters of the Trial outside of the composition of our force is not in my Clan's control, I request that Khan Lynn leads the Council's force. After all, this is about her Clan's very survival, should she not actual participate in determining the fate of her Clan? We are Clan, we are Warriors, and Warriors fight, not sit behind a desk relying on others to do the fighting for them."
Khan Zalman spoke with clear disdain in his voice and a visible scowl on his face while addressing the Council in general, and the Camel Khan in particular.
"Of course, Clan Steel Viper bows to the wisdom of this council."
*OOC- ToR Steel Viper Force- all units are Elite
Khan Perigard Zalman- Turkina B (.3 FP)
Tiberius Moffat- Gargoyle A (.3 FP)
Winfield Black- Kingfisher B (.3 FP)
Longstreet Stoklas- Dire Wolf A (.3 FP)
Guderian Cochran- Executioner A (.3 FP)
Gustavus Breen- Mad Dog Prime (.25 FP)
Duncan Ahmed- Timber Wolf Prime (.25 FP)
Gerald Foster- Ebon Jaguar Prime (.25 FP)
Connor Kearny- Nova Cat Prime (.25 FP)
Stone Varga- Summoner Prime (.25 FP)
Total of 2.75 FP
((OOC: since the odds against are 10:3, whomever defends the vote has 9.75FP to attempt to defeat Perigard Zalman's force))
ilKhan Diana Pryde thought for a moment on Khan Zalman's request for the Camel leader(Diana couldn't bring herself to call her a Khan just yet, as that was what this Trial was all about), and also was searching for a suitible location on a neutral location.
"Khan Zalman has a very good point," Diana swept her gaze over to Amy Lynn. "Khan Lynn, will you accept the direct challenge from Khan Zalman, to defend your newly named Clan's right to exist as a separate entity from its progenitor?"
((Wasn't that 10:3 for the vote?? Initiators of the ToR would be at 2.75*.3 = .825 FP))
((the odds against Zalman are 10:3...because the voted passed by a 10:3 ratio. so if he is bringing 2.75FP, its roughly triple his forces he has to face to overturn the vote. He gets to choose the size force he wants to use to overturn the vote, and then someone else gets triple that ammount to defeat him.))
((Aaah, I got that backwards :P))
((np, mighta been that i was explaining it screwy))
"IlKhan, I believe your math may be a bit off, my calculations show (2.75*3.33=9.16 rounded to 9.25)."
"Ah yes, you are correct. Forgive me, i spoke without confirming my figures."
((Stll waiting for a response from Amy Lynn about the direct challenge. If another Khan wishes to bid in the meantime, there is nothing stoping you. Zalman does not have the ability to force who he must fight))
Amy Lynn: "Both myself and my saKhan are presently engagned in truely securing my new Clans survival, by engaging its enemies. That they are the enemies of our brother Clans as well should stand as reason enough not to divert attention for the matter. We have brought our Clan into existance by our actions, and we shall continue to preserve its existance by our actions, with our with out the will of the council.
"As this motion is that of the ilKhan, I will leave it to her to nominate which ever champion she determines in my absance, or else to postpone the trial untill such a time as I can be spared from combat opperations. This trial might be deligated to my Loremaster, or to another warrior, but only our second line forces remain uncommitted at this time, and so additional forces would be needed to match the Viper bid; our Loremaster Kai Payne's unit was distroyed by the Terrans during their orbital bombardment of our capitol world, and so he is presently with out a command untill we can reconstitue our Third Galaxy."
Diana shook her head.
"It is not my place to choose a champion, Khan Lynn. A member of the council who voted in favor must step forth to defend the claim. If you will not, and after a direct challenge, then someone else must put themselves foreward, otherwise the Trial will be automaticlly deemed successful and the vote overturned.
The image of Khan Allison Sonoma swam into view behind the Jade Falcon desk.
"The majority of the Clans who have voted in favor are currently engaged in major military operations. I would sugest that the Trial be held on a world in the Inner Sphere, possibly within the Falcon OZ, and that it be postponed untill after the current fighting has subsided. I will bid warriors of the Jade Falcon Guards to defend the vote, and would welcome the warriors of other Clans to fight alongside us in defending Clan Camel."
Uplink: "Khan Ice Hellion will of course stand by the side of their old allies. However, all Clans voting in the favor of Clan Camel should play a part. Clan Camel's representatives of course should be the first to step in. Loremaster Kai Payne is welcome to lead in this Trial."
<<Lynn Mckenna transmitred in full Khan attire, standing in front of a windor.>>
"I bid no forces in defense of Clan Camel because I am already in the middle of preparing for a trial. A very important trial. Should we prove victorious, Operation Phalanx will have succeeded.
I await the outcome of this trial of refusal and shall inform the Grand Council of the results of our own trial when it is complete."
"While I, personally, have a great deal of respect for Khan Amy Lynn and her decision to preserve her people, Clan Star Adder done its part already. We have given her the opportunity to prove that her act is the right one."
"So in my, our, mind, Clan Camel should, on the merits and skills of its Warriors and Khan, earn the privilege and honor of continuing as Clan," the Khan of Clan Star Adder states, "no offense intended toward Khan Lynn."
"However in light of her demi-Clan taking part in offensive actions against our collective and mutual enemies, I believe it would be prudent to allow her to prove their worth in that manner. Much as our forebears did during Operation Klondike when the Clans were still in their infancy, for it was in those fires of True War that forged our ancestors into true Clans, and enlightened them to the horrors and waste that such conflicts generate."
"Our Trial system is without peer when it comes to testing the mettle of an individual, but is near meaningless when confronted with what we are now faced with in the Inner Sphere"
"As a new Clan, I agree, let Clan Camel be tested, but as a whole, not just a fragment, in the fires of a True War. Let the War against the Not-Named be Clan Camel's Klondike."
"And should they survive, then those same fires will have burned away the remaining impurities of their past, allowing them to forge a new future with those who still believe in the ideals of the Original Star League."
"Clan Camel will have tempered themselves against overwhelming numbers as the Founders did, rightfully earned their place amongst all the remaining Clans of Kerensky, just as our ancestors did during Klondike. No rules, no quarter, no regrets, no remorse."
Stanislav N'Buta's eyes are directed at the Camel Khan at the end of his speech, if she is present, at her monitor if not, though before signing off, and leaving his link in audio/standby mode, he offers her image, or her place, a gesture of his respect, a salute from the Original SLDF.
[Amy is at Planting, so telecomuting when not directing combat opperations (limited though they have proven to be). saKhan Sainze is at Antares, so we'll see how active she proves to be, but is probably not actively listening.]
At this point rage had twisted Khan Zalman's face.
"This is pathetic. And yet so many Clan's are willing to vouch for these vermin."
"Not everyone has your free time Khan Zalman." The image of Bryn Cooper spoke. "Would you be so dishonored by accepting to opportunity to face those you deem unworthy? Do you truly wish to face the best of us...at these odds? If so I suggest you take Khan Lynn's offer." The smirk on Bryn's face showed how much he enjoyed watching the Viper Khan have to work hard achieve his goals. How many times had the Ravens been the one operating from a weaker position? How many times has the Vipers tried these same manuevers on them to keep them down. "Of course, if you do not need us to plan for the liberation of New Kent from the Degraza Mandrills, we could perhaps postpone that instead?"
"You had already refused us once, and we have not asked for your assistance again saKhan Cooper. You and many other Clans have postponed the assistance promised so they can glut themselves. And yes, the Steel Vipers are willing to face you, MY Clan still has honor. I knew the odds going when I made my bid. The fact that at these odds this Council still tries to hide its cowardice speaks volumes."
"Though we support the Mandrills name change, we cannot stand in the way of the Vipers call for a trial; it is how our laws are laid out." Said Khan Sennet of the Sharks. "Anyone wishing to persuade the Vipers from their right through words or might, will incur the wrath of the Sharks. We are honor bound to follow our laws, who wishes to not follow them; please speak up."
Khan Adrianna Schmitt of Clan Blood Spirit, speaking through holographic representation, had to physically restrain herself from rolling her eyes at the Shark Khan. "Spare us the pontification, Barbara. You are not the ilKhan, nor is Raina, so could you try to conduct yourselves as if you do not hold the post, quiaff?"
The Spirit Khan leaned forward slightly as she spoke. "In these most trying of times, any action that might minimize the conflicts between us should be embraced, in order to ensure that our attention is focused on the true enemy." Adrianna raised an eyebrow as she regarded Khan Sennet disdainfully. "There is no dishonor nor violation of our redes and laws in trying to ensure that reason wins out over spiteful and petty squabbling and needless waste. I would think that a merchant would understand such basic principles."
Allison Sonoma was irritated by the discussion in the Grand Council. Despite the combat mission she was about to lead, she felt compelled to speak.
"What is going on in this council? Khan Zalman has issued a Trial of Refusal, and we discuss whether or not the Camels should fight? It is not a matter of whether the Camels wish to defend the vote or not, it is a matter of who wins the bid! We are still Clan, are we not? This isn't some Inner Sphere Traitor House, where we all sit around and discuss an issue and compromise until we reach a conclusion! There is a Trial issued, and it must be fought by those who would see their will enforced." Allison knew her declaration would bristle some egos, but so be it. She was tired of hearing this issue debated.
"I have already bid forces from my Jade Falcon Guards that will participate in the Trial. Unless another Khan has a counter-bid, i think this discussion is at an end. Khan Zalman, the Falcon Guards are currently conducting combat operations alongside me on Montmarault. As soon as the fighting there is at an end, i will dispatch them to a location of your choosing to commence the Trial and decide this matter, quiaff?"
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Trial of Refusal Roster
Elements of Gamma Galaxy, Falcon Guards Cluster:
(1 Assault Mech Binary, 2 Heavy Mech Binaries, 2 Elemental BA Binaries) Elite/Fanatical FP Total: 9.25 FP
1 Assault Mech Binary
Alpha Star
-Star Colonel Devon Mattlov; Turkina B
Star Commander Erich Drake, Warhammer IIC
Mechwarrior Chris Prentice, Warhawk C
Mechwarrior Brendon Binetti, Highlander IIC
Mechwarrior Mark, Highlander HGN-738
Bravo Star
-Star Commander Jason Newclay, Daishi A
Mechwarrior Morpheus, Executioner A
Mechwarrior Jeremy, Warhawk C
Mechwarrior Catherine, Mad Cat Mk.II
Mechwarrior Victor, Mad Cat Mk.II
2 Heavy Mech Binaries
Alpha Star
-Star Captain Aleksandr Roshak, Summoner Prime
Mechwarrior Hal, Mad Cat Prime
Mechwarrior Patrice Zucal, Vulture Prime
Mechwarrior Amanda, Summoner Prime
Mechwarrior Tim, Guillotine IIC
Bravo Star
-Star Commander Thomas Zywot, Mad Cat A
Mechwarrior Andrew McCaig, Mad Cat A
Mechwarrior Nathan, Guillotine IIC
Mechwarrior Josh Cha-Regner, Warhammer WHM-6R(C)
Mechwarrior Matthew, Warhammer WHM-4L
Delta Star
-Star Captain Laura Chistu, Marauder MAD-5M
Mechwarrior Chrystal Mattlov, Gallowglas GAL-3GLS
Mechwarrior Alice, Vulture Prime
Mechwarrior Jaq, Summoner Prime
Mechwarrior Aiden, Summoner A
Epsilion Star
-Star Commander Brian Roshak, Mad Cat(Bounty Hunter variant)
Mechwarrior Sven Pryde, Summoner A
Mechwarrior Darrel, Mad Cat Prime
Mechwarrior Becky, Mad Cat B
Mechwarrior Jessica, Penetrator PTR-4D
2 Elemental Binaries
Alpha Star
-Star Captain Samael Buhallin
Bravo Star
-Star Commander Helen Meytani
Delta Star
-Star Captain Allison Meytani
Epsilion Star
-Star Commander Debra Visla
<Bryn types a message to the Viper Khan>
"ilKhan, Clan Ghost Bear declines to bid. We fully endorse the Jade Falcon bid and believe that your Warriors will serve honorably and well in defense of the positions of this Conclave."
"As for other matters being discussed here, we see no purpose to them. A Trial of Refusal has been called and it is as much the Vipers' right as it is their folly. Those of us who voted in favor of a Council decision are honor-bound to defend it. Now that the Jade Falcons have bid, we are content to let them defend the Council's honor, but those Clans who spoke before their bid without bidding themselves are shamed by such action."
"Attempting to minimize waste, and to preserve every able-bodied warrior for the war against the False Star League and the Not-Named that pulls their strings, is not shameful in the slightest. Perhaps the Clans would stand a better chance of ending the war victoriously if we were not so quick to slit each other's throats over opaque points of honor. Is this not the same sort of behavior that many amongst us have mocked the Inner Sphere for?"
The Khan shrugged. "The Camels will stand or fall as befits any Clan, but there is not a Clan amongst our number who has the right to pass shame around like work credits. But that is neither here nor there. Let the Trial commence, as those who are to participate in it have stated their intent to do so, and all that is left is for the Trial to be conducted and concluded swiftly. But if this Council suddenly believes that sharing our thoughts with each other is shameful, then I fail to see the point of having a Council to begin with."
"As preserving the Way of the Clans is the very essence of why this war must be fought, we can not allow it to fall by the wayside. That would make the war itself the most pointless waste imaginable. The Trial of Refusal as well as the warrior's absolute right for it was established by our Founders in the first days of the Clans. A vote was made and the voices who opposed it honor our Ways by calling it to Trial. Further, it can not be considered a waste to fight for the honor of the Grand Council. While you have a right to voice your opinions, proper procedure dictates that those bidding for a Trial should not be interrupted by those who simply wish to comment on it."
"As such, having declined to bid, I will speak no further in this Conclave until the matter is resolved."
The Blood Spirit Khan almost burst into laughter at the phrase "honor of the Grand Council", but her humor was quickly squelched by the temerity of the Ghost Bear Khan to call her own honor into question. She very nearly declared a Trial of Grievance over the matter, but she did not let her emotions get the better of her. That is how an Ice Hellion would react: declare a Trial and damn the consequences.
Casting one final, hostile stare at the Bears' leader, she merely disconnected the transmission, taking her leave of the Council without another word. If the other Khans wished to cast her efforts to safeguard all of their numbers to the wayside and place the honor of one warrior's personal honor over that of all the Clans, that was her right. And she had finally had enough of trying to make the other Clans see reason.
Let them fight amongst themselves, if that is what they wish. She had had her fill of trying to deal with the false Clans on a level approaching civility, and would not be bothered to spend the life of a single warrior in defense of their inscrutable need to feed on each other like animals.
Clan Wolf bids the 4th Garrison Cluster V/R 8FP
Jade Falcons bid the same forces, minus the Battlearmor
bid is now 7.75FP
Clan Diamond Shark bid 7.25FP from the Moonstone Skate Kershik.
((OOC: I believe we have made a mistake here... the laws/rules concerning Trials of Refusal state that the odds are determined by the ratio of the votes. So, Clan law would state that the Vipers MUST fight at 3:10 odds, because those are the odds they are trying to overturn. The current bidding that is taking place is reducing the ratio, which i believe is an incorrect to do this. Instead, here is what i am thinking.
CJF has stated they will defend the vote, and post the force composition because they were the first Clan to bid in defense of the vote. The other Clans, instead of bidding less force(and thus reducing the ratio), would simply be stating that their forces should be included.
So right now, instead of the the Diamond Shark bid of 7.25FP, the Jade Falcons, Wolves and Diamond Sharks would equally split the 9.25FP amongs themselves to defend the vote. As there are 3 Clans, and 9.25FP to be split, that would mean each Clan would contribute 3FP worth of troops, with the last .25 going to one of them(CJF would put forth that they DID step foreward first.
Obviously, the equal split could is just a start, the Clans involved would discuss the exact split amongst themselves.
Do people agree with this? It just doesnt make sense that the Vipers would benefit from multiple Clans wishing to participate. Instead, they would be faced with a coalition of Clans arrayed against them(just like in the voting itself).
Also, as a side note, I am going to put a time limit on this, because this is taking a really long time. the GC has other things on their plate i am sure.
ilKhan Diana Pryde stood to address the Grand Council.
"Khans, this matter must be resolved as quickly as possible. All Clans wishing to defend the vote result against the Vipers in the Trial of Refusal must put themselves foreward by the end of this week. Once the deadline has passed, all Clans involved will have a discussion between themselves about force composition and distribution to last not longer than 1 standard week. The Trial itself will commence when units involved are finished with active combat operations.
Khan Zalman, you are allowed to choose the world and location the Trial is to take place. I would suggest someplace deep within the OZ to prevent any interuptions."
((OOC:
Deadlines: All Clans wishing to participate must make it clear by midnight Eastern Standard on Friday the 21st. By midnight EST on Friday the 28th, there must be a consensus as to who is deploying what forces, and which Clan will take command of the fight, and will be handled via PM, then posted to the GC thread. (i assume this will be done via MM, if not, the leader makes the SimRes rolls.)
*OOC-Edit- Removed IC post due to misunderstanding of previous post.
Amy Lynn (in combat atire, broadcasting from the field): "Self serving as this will doubtless seem, I would propose that the ilKhan is filling her positition to a T. As the innitatior for this motion, she has a responcibility to see that it is defended to her satisfaction. As the war leader of the Clans, she as the right to command and oversee millitary actions, upto and including trials such as these. And as the chair of this council, she has the right to impose contraints of time on its proceedings.
"Unless of course you challange these rights, as you could if you wished? After all, while the sitting ilKhan has lead the Clans in the Inner Sphere to many great victories, your Clan has sat out of action and failed to answer her call, going so far as to declare [assuming that comunication over PM was intended to be IC; I'll remove this if not] that because of your own falure to reclaim your homeworld from pittiful bandits and the falure of other Clans to be at your beck and call, that you would be unable to answer the Call for months more. Why should you want to see the right of the Clan Warleader to lead be alowed to contunue when you are so unwilling to follow? Why should you want a fast process when you seem to intent on being obstructionest about even the simplest if matters?
"But, if you wish to launch another trial, then so much the better; perhaps if your stalling can push this next one back enough, I will be free to kill you myself. As it stands a small number of Camels are able ot take part in the trial, and we will be in contact with the other intrested Clans on the matter."
Quote from: Daemonknight on May 17, 2010, 04:37:32 AM
((OOC: I believe we have made a mistake here... the laws/rules concerning Trials of Refusal state that the odds are determined by the ratio of the votes.
(OOC: No, actually, that serves as a maximum. The votes' defenders bid down from those initially high odds. ToRs therefore sometimes succeed when they shouldn't just because other Grand Council members bid poorly. This is, of course, a weakness in the system.)
((OOC: uhm, i dont understand where you are going with Zalman. Diana made zero mention of altering the bidding structure, she simply put a time limit on the Clans deciding who was defending the vote.
the discussion about how the bidding works, if you'll look at the top, is an out-of-character discussion about if we had done things wrong or not. I see that its not, so it suppose that it is good i didnt have Diana say anything about it.
In this case, i think you've accidently mixed an OOC post asking a question with a IC post trying to accomplish something somewhat different. The purpose of diana's ultimatium is to get the GC away from the Trial that cant be fought for the moment anyways, and on to other things. So far, despite some serious setbacks, there has been no discussion what soever about the war effort.
And fyi, while i know that the previous ilKhan had a vote to be unseated, i never saw the bidding that preceeded the fight.))
*OOC-
QuoteCJF has stated they will defend the vote, and post the force composition because they were the first Clan to bid in defense of the vote. The other Clans, instead of bidding less force(and thus reducing the ratio), would simply be stating that their forces should be included.
So right now, instead of the the Diamond Shark bid of 7.25FP, the Jade Falcons, Wolves and Diamond Sharks would equally split the 9.25FP amongs themselves to defend the vote. As there are 3 Clans, and 9.25FP to be split, that would mean each Clan would contribute 3FP worth of troops, with the last .25 going to one of them(CJF would put forth that they DID step foreward first.
Obviously, the equal split could is just a start, the Clans involved would discuss the exact split amongst themselves.
Do people agree with this? It just doesnt make sense that the Vipers would benefit from multiple Clans wishing to participate. Instead, they would be faced with a coalition of Clans arrayed against them(just like in the voting itself).
That is where I was going with it. You did try to change the structure.
Quote from: Daemonknight on May 17, 2010, 04:46:35 PM
((OOC: uhm, i dont understand where you are going with Zalman. Diana made zero mention of altering the bidding structure, she simply put a time limit on the Clans deciding who was defending the vote.
the discussion about how the bidding works, if you'll look at the top, is an out-of-character discussion about if we had done things wrong or not. I see that its not, so it suppose that it is good i didnt have Diana say anything about it.
In this case, i think you've accidently mixed an OOC post asking a question with a IC post trying to accomplish something somewhat different. The purpose of diana's ultimatium is to get the GC away from the Trial that cant be fought for the moment anyways, and on to other things. So far, despite some serious setbacks, there has been no discussion what soever about the war effort.
And fyi, while i know that the previous ilKhan had a vote to be unseated, i never saw the bidding that preceeded the fight.))
If that is the case, I apologize..It is Kinda hard to see what is OOC and what is IC in your post.
the entire thing was supposed to be OOC. it was long because i was trying to explain my position.
[OOC]
From The Clans, Warriors of Kerensky page 44, 'Trial of Refusal'
"In a Trial of Refusal, the refusing party declares what forces he or she will use to challenge the decision. The opposing side then declares what forces will uphold the verdict, up to the ratio of the decision. For example, if someone challenges a decision that passed two votes to ten (a ratio of one to five), the defenders may deploy up to five times as many troops (in Points rather than individual warriors) as the attackers. However, in practice, bidding among the defenders for the honor of upholding the decision usually reduces this ratio in the challenger's favor."
This is the canon information, but it's worth bearing David Baughman's post in the OOC thread in mind as well.
OOC: can i sugest that since Zalman's remarks were based off an OOC post mistakenly taken as IC, that the Zalman and subsequent posts are considered null and void? If Grey had know that my post was entirely OOC, Zalman wouldn't have had cause to make the statements he did. I blame myself for not making it clear the entire post was OOC, and for not having sufficent knowlage of Clan law(i was working off of what i remember from the Trial of Refusal concerning Aiden Pryde's claim to a bloodname, where he, Johanna, and Ter Roshak fought similar odds because of the 3:10 vote ratio). I thought it was static, so i apologize for screwing up and making an incident of it.
However, Diana's timeline for determining the forces to be used in the Trial still stands, if someone wishes to make any comments about that, feel free, as that was intended as IC.
IC:
Khan Allison Sonoma puts forth a motion that all Clans that have bid to be included, as they all wish to see the Camels be given a chance. This minimizes the actual damage to individual Clan combat units, and the Clans wishing to participate can all gain equal honor by working together for the good of the Clans as a whole.
saKhan Brett Andrews: 'Minimize damage'? 'Good of the Clans'? What is this drivel? I am disappointed Falcon. For all that is rotten with your Clan you had at least in the past kept up some semblance of bluster and pluck in your addresses to the Council. I wonder, is it any coincidence that this motion comes only as the cutdown looms in the current bidding? If you do not like the odds then withdraw and leave the bidding to those Warriors who still have some heart. No true Warrior would shame themselves by abandoning a winning bid just so that they could minimize damage to themselves.
((OOC: Falcons dont hold the winning bid fyi))
OOC: He knows. :) He's not referring to the Falcons but to the other Clans bidding.
Khan Allison Sonoma
"Must i remind the Viper saKhan that the Clans are at war with the Terran Hegemony? Atleast some of us are anyways, as opposed to wasting themselves to see a rival fall into oblivion instead of regain their former strength. The minimizing of damage, might i remind you, has always been one of the cornerstones of the Clans, hence the bidding process' existence, or have you forgotten? Have the Vipers forgotten that the minimal use of force and resources is not only the honorable path but the most practical? Especially now when we face a force with such vastly superior numbers? Or would you prefer that the Clans spend the totality of their forces in Trials against each other and ignore the external threat that is a danger to us all?"
saKhan Brett Andrews: Again you wail at the prospect of adversity, all to save yourself bruises. I almost miss your firey predecessors. If bidding draws such high praise from you then, pray, continue with the rite. There is a bid of 7.25 on the table. Go lower Falcon, if you dare.
The Hellions second Khan Jade Falcon's motion.
We would like to be part of this trial along with others to demonstrate our trust in the Camel Clan and its existence.
saKhan Brett Andrews: Unless the ilKhan wishes to meddle with the laws of our bidding tradition for her own ends, a tradition that her Clan has just now so openly endorsed, then the only legal manner in which Clans can combine their forces is to contract into the winning bid. As such they will have to get approval from the Diamond Sharks to contract into their standing bid, or else a coalition must make their own lower combined bid. This is my understanding. I ask the Loremaster of the Clans to confirm this.
SaKhan Caden Church spoke as saKhan Andrews concluded. "I concur, Khan Steel Viper. And will someone please instruct the Hellions that they no longer have one of their own in the ilKhan's seat? They certainly keep trying to tell the other Clans what they need to be doing enough that one would think the shade of Sellen Cage was commanding this Council."
OP: I think we need a solution here. The last bid was done by the Sharks, and it should be rolled, no?
We might need the GC for business.
*OOC- I really would rather not be rolled out. It will take time for the Trial to take place as the forces have to move to the site anyways.
((OOC: As much as i would rather it not be SimRes, theres so little time it may not be possible to finish this by the end of the month, especially with you being gone untill Tuesday. Maybe do a series of SimRes Duels: match up 2 mechs(one from each side) and roll a best of 3 series between them. Winner moves on to the next match-up, run it a Star at a time, because in a Trial like this, the Clanners would most likly be following the single-combat traditions of the Clans, so theres no ganging up. Unless you can manage to get enough time in for a MM game))
*OOC- No time for MM. I head to work tonight (about an hour from now), then head out of town tomorrow morning. But I do like your idea. If someone wants to proxy, I will go for that in either case. If a MM proxy fights, I want it to be known that the Vipers will follow strict Zell.
((OOC: Just so we can get this done quickly, does someone want to proxy for the Vipers? It'd be best if we can get this done in the next few days so that the decision can be circulated. Holt, do you need a proxy or do you have the time?))
I can play the Vipers.
Quote from: Tan on May 29, 2010, 07:52:18 AM
I can play the Vipers.
*Sigh*.... I keep forgetting I have a second now...
[Anyone can play the sharks in this.]
[OOC]
Anyone up for taking the Sharks? I'll be playing by strict zellbrigen, Steel Viper style. The Vipers had 3 FP and the Shark bid was 7.25. The Vipers bid 10 mechs and I work the ratio out to mean they fight 24 Shark mechs (do I have that right? If so, I ask a Shark player to post up the mech types that are in their bid, the Viper mechs are on the first page :) ). All pilots are E/F cause both sides are Keshiks. It's a lot of metal to play with but with Elite pilots the kills should be coming thick and fast, so I can see the battle being done in two nights easy, three tops if luck runs weird. I can play from about 9pm EST until 11 or 12 most nights, with a little advance notice. :) Hit me up here or on MSN.
the number of shark mechs depends more on weight class than the ratio at this point. If theres more lights than heavies, he might have a higher mech ratio, but an equal FP ratio(which is what matters).
At this point, i dont think MM is really an option, the turn ends tommarow. Unless you can get it done before the turn ends tommarow night, i think it should just be done by either a roll off, or the detailed SimRes i proposed(i personally dislike the idea of leaving such an issue upto something so simple as a best of 7 roll, but its not my trial).
It would be possible to finish in a single session with halved forces, 1.5 vs 3.63, to do a 'zoomed out' version of the Trial. The half not represented in the game would be assumed to fare as well as the half that were.
either that or have a mech represent a star.
whatever method is used, i just think it would be better to finish the trial by tommarow night. Since nobody else has come foreward, if nobody steps foreward by tommarow afternoon, i'll play for the Sharks. I'd rather not, as i'm not the best at MM, but i'd rather that then wait for the GMs to resolve it by SimRes.
OOC: I wouldn't mind proxy the Diamond Shark force.
Diamond Sharks uphold Grand Council Decision
Victory!
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Winner is: TEAM #2
Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik: 0 BV remaining (from 59263 initially) 0 BV fled
DiamondSProxy: 84931 BV remaining (from 148002 initially) 0 BV fled
Survivors are:
Mad Dog A (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 3
Gargoyle C (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Warhawk C (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Executioner H (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Dire Wolf H (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 1
Dire Wolf C (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Dire Wolf Prime (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Gargoyle Prime (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Warhawk B (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Warhawk B #2 (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Blood Kite BDK-2 (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Blood Kite BDK-2 #2 (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Supernova SRN (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Cauldron-Born C (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
Blood Asp C (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 0
MechWarrior Unnamed (DiamondSProxy)
Gunnery Skill : Unnamed [1] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Graveyard contains:
Executioner A (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Guderian Cochran [1/2] ( 6 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Gargoyle A (DiamondSProxy)
Dire Wolf A (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Longstreet Stoklas [1/2] ( 6 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Gargoyle A (DiamondSProxy)
Gargoyle A #2 (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Turkina B (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Mad Dog Prime (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Gustavus Breen [1/2] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Cauldron-Born H (DiamondSProxy)
Gargoyle A (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 6 hit(s) )
Kills : 2
Destroyed by Turkina B (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Gargoyle A (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Tiberius Moffat [1/2]
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Blood Asp Prime (DiamondSProxy)
Gargoyle A #3 (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 6 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Cauldron-Born Prime (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Timber Wolf Prime (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Duncan Ahmed [1/2] ( 3 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Timber Wolf A (DiamondSProxy)
Dire Wolf S (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 4 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Turkina B (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Timber Wolf A (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2]
Kills : 1
Destroyed by Turkina B (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Summoner C (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 6 hit(s) )
Kills : 1
Destroyed by pilot error.
Supernova SRN #2 (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Nova Cat Prime (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Summoner Prime (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Stone Varga [1/2] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Summoner C (DiamondSProxy)
Nova Cat Prime (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Connor Kearny [1/2]
Kills : 1
Destroyed by Mad Dog A (DiamondSProxy)
Cauldron-Born H (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 3 hit(s) )
Kills : 1
Destroyed by Cauldron-Born Prime (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Cauldron-Born Prime (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Gerald Foster [1/2] ( 6 hit(s) )
Kills : 2
Destroyed by Mad Dog A (DiamondSProxy)
Blood Asp Prime (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 1
Turkina B (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Khan Perigard Zalman [1/2] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 4
Destroyed by Dire Wolf H (DiamondSProxy)
The following utterly destroyed units are not available for salvage:
Executioner B (DiamondSProxy)
Pilot : Unnamed [1/2] ( 6 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Kingfisher B (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Kingfisher B (Clan Steel Viper, Triasch Keshik)
Pilot : Winfield Black [1/2] ( 6 hit(s) )
Kills : 1
Destroyed by Mad Dog A (DiamondSProxy)
Detailed unit status saved to entitystatus.txt
The Diamond Sharks' Moonstone Keshik's losses add up to 2.9 FP (8 Elite Assaults @ 0.3 FP + 2 Elite Heavies @ 0.25 FP)
The Steel Vipers' Triasch Keshik's losses are 2.75 (5 Elite Assaults @ 0.3 FP + 5 Elite Heavies @ 0.25 FP)
OOC: I'm going to take my RP for this to the current cycle's thread.