Fear not Warriors of the Wolf, we have not come to Circe to violate the terms of the trial.
We stand ready to defend what our brothers on Eden shall win for us...but should any of you chafe under the restrictions of this trial and desire purely a test of honor in single combat Star Colonel Regina Carmichael stand ready to face you in single combat for honors sake.
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Star Colonel Carmichael, I am Star Captain Haphaestus of the 2nd Garrison Cluster. I shall be happy to test your mettle in single combat. As the Gunslingers of the Star League Defense Force, let us battle.
(Note the arrival of Raven caws over the airwaves as the 2nd Raven Garrison Cluster approaches Wolf Territory)
Upon hearing of the challenge, Star Colonel Kelse Howe orders the Raven warriors to join the circle for the Circle of Equals.
Fate has my persmission to proxy this Gunslinger duel.
Wolf Bid is .22 FP
Star Colonel Carmichael
Timberwolf Prime (2/3)
(Chaos, do you want to bid and fight this Trial? We should get this cleaned up so no one has to wait.)
Just so the Raven intentions are postes.
"We do not come to interfere with your Honor duel Trothkin, in fact we shall be happy to join your circle. However, when this is done, there is an important matter that must be addressed."
"Clan Snow Raven hereby Challenges the Wolves on Circe to possession of all the Warriors you posses and your land. The land, must be represented by the ideals of the Clan that possesses it, and although we respect the Wolf Warriors, your Khans have chosen ideals counter to our own. Your Warriors, we challenge for because we found that you host an insideous nest of Scorpions! Above us in the sky are Raven ships to ensure they do not run. However, the strength of my 2nd Raven Garrison Cluster alone can not stand up to a full Galaxy. I ask that if you accept, you bid small so that out strengths can be preserved for the battle ahead!"
'If you wish our strength to augment your own against this dispicable conspiracy, then ask us. We desire to be part of no clan of the Grand Council. The cancer in the Grand Council has begun to affect the individual members. This does not mean we disrespect all of the clans or that we support the conspiracies that are happening. The Blood Spirits have already claimed the right to Circe and our forces on Eden are defending against that claim. When we are victorious there, we will accept your challenge here. However, your harvest trial we will defend against fully. Respect our choices and we will fight along side you to hunt these vermin before we leave. Attempt to subvert us and we will fight with all the strength and tenacity the Wolves are known for.'
OOC: Hey :P It was you that told me this was just an honor duel :P
"I find it ludicrous that you would allow the challenge for the land beneath our feet to be determined in another system when both parties have representatives here. I Star Colonel Kelse Howe of Clan Snow Raven will challenge whoever wins the trial to solidify our possession of Circe based on this fact alone."
"In regards to your warriors. This is not some Harvest Trial. We would not have sought to add your strength to our own had we not needed it to achieve an objective in the timely manner, and considering it was your leadership that allowed the Roche Galaxy to set up station near your enclave, asking you to act against then did not seem like an option." The line went silent for a bit. "I have consulted with the warriors we have present but still have a conundrum. How are we supposed to know you will act against those that are your guest?"
"You can dress up that can any way you want to Spirit, but at the end of the day, the Timberwolf will hunt you down... I declare this issue between us settled! Let your codex show that we stand by our words!"
Honor Duel - CBS vs CW
QuoteVictory!
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Winner is: TEAM #2
BloodSpirit: 0 BV remaining (from 5052 initially) 0 BV fled
Fatebringer: 3891 BV remaining (from 4981 initially) 0 BV fled
Survivors are:
Timber Wolf Prime (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Star Colonel Carmichael [2/3] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 1
Graveyard contains:
Blood Kite (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Mechwarrior John Jones [2/3] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Timber Wolf Prime (Fatebringer)
Detailed unit status saved to entitystatus.txt
OOC Blood Spirits Victorious on Eden. Circe Enclaves ceded under that victory.
Need Initiative by the CBS
Raven Initiative
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 2, total 8[/blockquote]
Blood Spirit init
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 1, total 4[/blockquote]
Quote"I find it ludicrous that you would allow the challenge for the land beneath our feet to be determined in another system when both parties have representatives here. I Star Colonel Kelse Howe of Clan Snow Raven will challenge whoever wins the trial to solidify our possession of Circe based on this fact alone."
Need a response to this.
What is so hard in this concept for you to grasp Raven?
Was not Terra fought over in a proxy battle on on Tukkayyid?
Our arrangements with the Wolves were mad where they felt their forces strongest so that we might have the most impressive battles.
I Star Colonel Regina Carmichael of Sigma Provisional Galaxies 158th Crimson Guards defend this claim in the name of Clan Blood Spirit.
We are trueborn warriors of the Clans and do not reject those who wish for honorable combat. But remember fledgling those who seek us on our ground may in turn be sought on their own.
For this too is the way of the Clans.
Seyla
158th Crimson Guards 5.75 FP
"Excuse me gentlemen, but Clan Wolf agreed to an honorable trial against Clan Blood Spirit on Eden that would include the land on Circe. As the Blood Spirits have yet to engage us in an honorable trial, under the teachings of Kerensky, then they do not yet have claim to our holdings here. We are still reviewing the data to determine what has occurred on Eden."
OOC - Wolves do not allow the Spirits access to our enclave territory yet, due to the events on Eden.
OOC: Just so it's said, I direct all participants to Field Manual: Crusader Clans, page 13.
To quote the relevant section: "The winner of a bid enters the field with the agreed-upon forces, but may call on reserves equal to the strength of the opponent's last bid with only a small loss of honor. To bring in more forces requires the permission of the other bidder, and usually entails a severe loss of face."
And to make sure it's clear, when it refers to the "opponent", it's referring to the other Blood Spirit(s) bidding for the right to fight the Trial, not to the Wolves. So we don't need the Wolves' permission to bring in more forces, and it's perfectly legal under Clan law.
Also, the Ravens can't really disagree with it, either, since they pulled the same trick at Tamar by bringing the Horses into their fight. So it's legal from the FGC rules perspective as well.
(This is regarding the situation at Strana Mechty, but as it's the crux of the situation here, I'm posting it here as well.)
OOC: A.) Tamar is not a Trial. B.) CSR acknowledges that CBS may have bid like cowardly surats, (50% overbid) and broke Zellbrigen, but they did win the trial on Eden. So the challenge here defaults to them. C.) We are still waiting for an answer.
OOC: A.) Never said Tamar WAS a Trial. I was simply pointing out that from a RULES perspective, it's legal. I did say this already, so you know. B.) Okay. C.) Okay.
OOC: So, to my understanding, the Wolves are refusing to abide by the outcome of the Trial on Eden, which was to turn over their Circe enclave, because zellbrigen was broken. Is this correct? Because if it is, let us know so we can simply hit the Wolves here for violating the terms of the Trial.
As for the "overbidding", such as it is, I really can't listen to anyone complain about that after the fact when it should've been addressed before the Trial. As the Trial commenced with both sides' forces declared, that's a de facto acceptance of the bid, so it's not really a factor here.
Let us know exactly what's up here, because I'm more than a little confused as to why the Wolves are now barring the Spirits from the enclave they just won, in terms the Wolves themselves agreed with. If the Wolves are defaulting on their word, we're exercising the right of forfeit and attacking the enclave full-force.
Overbidding is an IC issue, not an OOC objection. Plus, there is no IC way to object. And, we are dealing with it IC. My post here was simply an objection to this moving forward without me having a chance to review what happened. So, please, just be patient. You guys made IC decisions to use 'questionable' tactics and bidding. I am determining how to deal with it IC.
Star Colonel Regina Carmichael and the 158th Crimson Guards Cluster, having taken up station just outside out of the Wolf enclave, send a terse transmission to the Wolves within.
"Clan Wolf, we repeat once again for your benefit, the Trial upon Eden was lost by your warriors. We therefore invoke our right to enter this enclave and take it as our isorla. If you had objections to our bid, you had your chance to raise them before the Trial commenced. And both sides committed questionable acts as far as zellbrigen goes.
"We grow tired of waiting. Are you going to abide by your word, or shall we simply storm your enclave and take what we are owed? We are willing to grant you safcon from this world if you hold to your word. If you force us to wrest this enclave from you, we will leave none of you alive to further sully your Clan with such dishonor.
"Your decision, Clan Wolf?"
"We will abide by our agreement. We fought ever trial according to Kerensky's teachings and our own honor. It surprises us that your clan, who prides itself on being the epitome of Kerensky's Ways, would so have to twist and push the system. But, I guess that simply shows the respect you have for us being Kerensky's strongest clan. At least you do not believe yourselves weak, like the Star Adders, who do not believe they can defeat us without orbital bombardment or at least 3 to 1 odds."
OOC - This was broadcast, since there are other interested parties. I don't recall which world had the conspirators, so I won't post us 'leaving' yet, since we have been challenged in regards to that and we also were already willing to fight against them before we leave.
The 158th Crimson Guards move into the Wolf enclave with all deliberate haste, meeting the broadcasted Wolf boasting with silence. Star Colonel Carmichael had come for what her saKhan had tasked her, and no further words to these mewling, traitorous pups were necessary.
However, she did abide by the terms of the agreement, and allowed the Wolf forces the opportunity to leave unmolested... but under the watchful eyes and guns of her 'Mechs, as they were now standing in Blood Spirit territory. She hoped, for their sakes, that they did not tarry long.
OOC: CSR is still waiting for repsonse to trial. Star Captain Carmichael was the Wolf Pilot in the Timberwolf that beat the Blood Spirit in the Blood Kite, and both the Blood Spirit Commander and Wolf Commaners are invited to join the Ravens for a Meeting.
OOC: Star Colonel Regina Carmichael is not the Wolf pilot; she's the CO of this Cluster, as per the very first post of the thread. Just FYI, so there's no confusion. Also, the Ravens have only stated their intention to challenge the winner of this; they haven't actually issued a challenge to Trial as such. Is it your wish to do this now?
ooc: I gotcha. I messed that up when I posted the Wolf Bid. So it was Star Captain Hephaestus that won the trial. :P
I also consider the statemen, "I challenge the winner" a challenge and have asked for a response three times. If your waiting for an RP challenge perhaps you should RP acknowledge our presense first.
OOC: We aren't ignoring you (Chaos actually did respond to your initial broadcast)... you just haven't issued an actual Trial, just "I challenge the winner". Challenge the winner to what? A Trial of Possession, a Trial of Grievance, a Trial of Refusal? A generic "I challenge the winner" isn't something I can respond to unless you phrase it in context. Clarify the challenge, and I'll respond to it for ya.
Quote"I Star Colonel Kelse Howe of Clan Snow Raven will challenge whoever wins the trial to solidify our possession of Circe"
I will rephrase this for you then. "I Star Colonel Kelse Howe of Clan Snow Raven challenge Clan Blood Spirit to a Trail of Possession for they lands they possess on Circe."
For a few long moments, only silence came forth from the new Spirit enclave. Then, a woman's voice came back in response. "This is Star Colonel Regina Carmichael of Clan Blood Spirit. You are aware that the ilKhan has made Trials of Possession in our Homeworlds illegal, quiaff? If it is truly your wish to fight, we shall meet you as warriors, but we wish to ensure that you understand the full consequences of your actions, Star Colonel."
"Please explain to me the full consequences of our actions. I did not hear Star Colonel Joel Ban Chu complaining about the ilKhans ban when we accepted the Spirits Trial there. With my Garrison force and the watchful eyes of the ships above, Clan Snow Raven has plenty of forces with which to take what you have earned. But we are not the Abjured Wolves and if you choose to hide behind the office of the ilKhan, then so be it. I would of course prefer you extend the same courtesies to us as we have to you and allow us to prove in honorable trials who is most deserved of this land. I ask to keep the trial small for there is still more business to be done here on Circe."
CSR Forces: 49.25 FP
Waiting for CBS response. Force specifics in PM.
"The Trial on Tranquil was one in which you invited us, your supposed 'allies', to share in the bounty of that world, and it was accepted despite the fact that you chose to ignore our own Trial for the world out of sheer, naked greed. So aff, we shall agree to keep the Trial 'small', as it is preferable to watching your honor erode even further by simply attacking us despite the outcome of our Trial here. And as for explaining the full consequences of your actions... that you shall learn in time, 'ally'. If nothing else, I do offer you our thanks for showing us the true colors of your soul. Our bid is forthcoming."
OOC: Chaos is gonna post our bid.
Seyla, Warrior of the Ravens we of the Blood Spirits hereby grant you SafCon.
The warriors of the 158th Crimson Guards stand ready to meet you on the field of honor let all chalcas see how two clans true to the Founders will conduct themselves and let their shame grow because of it.
Blood Spirit bid 2 FP R/F
"The Ravens have been on Circe since Operation Klondike when we wretched contol from the disgraced at the Battle of Bitter Tears so your offer of Safcon has me questioning your sanity trothkin. You will find this land is not like Lum. We Ravens have battled Circe's harsh climate for over two centuries and been tested to our limits. Aff, we know this land well and feel it is an unfair advantage for us should we meet you with equal strengths, so make ready to meet the Unkindness."
CSR Bids 1.75 FP
Do we get to play again?
Sure tonight? I got time.
Blood Spirits win trial
Victory!
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Winner is: TEAM #1
BloodSpirit: 20891 BV remaining (from 38615 initially) 912 BV fled
Fatebringer: 11496 BV remaining (from 37159 initially) 1456 BV fled
Survivors are:
Turkina B (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4]
Kills : 2
Savage Coyote A (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 3
Savage Coyote B (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4]
Kills : 1
Kingfisher E (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Kingfisher D (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Kingfisher Prime (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4]
Kills : 2
Gargoyle D (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 3
Dire Wolf C (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4]
Kills : 2
Shadow Cat B (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4]
Kills : 0
Grendel B (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 1
Vapor Eagle (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4]
Kills : 0
Timber Wolf A (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4]
Kills : 0
Nova Cat A (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Roc #2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 3 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Roc 2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
The following units are in retreat:
Nova Prime (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [2/3]
Kills : 0
Satyr 2 #2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Cougar B (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [2/3] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Warhawk C (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4] ( 1 hit(s) )
Kills : 2
Graveyard contains:
Roc 3 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 3 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Gargoyle D (BloodSpirit)
Gorgon 3 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 4 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Dire Wolf C (BloodSpirit)
Roc (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 4 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Gargoyle D (BloodSpirit)
Roc 3 #2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 4 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Savage Coyote B (BloodSpirit)
Siren 2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 3 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Warhawk C (BloodSpirit)
Gorgon 2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 5 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Savage Coyote A (BloodSpirit)
Gorgon 3 #2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 3 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Turkina B (BloodSpirit)
Centaur 3 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 4 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Warhawk C (BloodSpirit)
Minotaur (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 4 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Dire Wolf C (BloodSpirit)
Minotaur #2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 5 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Gargoyle D (BloodSpirit)
Satyr 2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 3 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Savage Coyote A (BloodSpirit)
Siren 2 #2 (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [4] ( 3 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Kingfisher Prime (BloodSpirit)
Stormcrow B (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [2/3] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by pilot error.
Guillotine IIC (Fatebringer)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4]
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Turkina B (BloodSpirit)
Executioner A (BloodSpirit)
Pilot : Unnamed [3/4] ( 2 hit(s) )
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Grendel B (Fatebringer)
Clan Medium BA (Volk) (Fatebringer)
Gunnery Skill : Unnamed [3]
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Savage Coyote A (BloodSpirit)
Sylph (Fatebringer)
Gunnery Skill : Unnamed [3]
Kills : 0
Destroyed by Kingfisher Prime (BloodSpirit)
Detailed unit status saved to entitystatus.txt
Having secured a victory over the forces of Clan Snow Raven, Star Colonel Regina Carmichael and the 158th Crimson Guards Cluster escorts Star Colonel Kelse Howe and the survivors of his Second Raven Garrison Cluster out of the Spirits' new enclave. Once the Ravens have withdrawn back to their DropShips and departed the enclave, the Spirits enact their now-standing policy of closed borders and comm-silence, making their current disposition all too clear.
"Commanders of the Blood Spirit, Wolf. We have all fought over this land. Put aside your issues with each other for now and listen to my words. We all know that the Goliath Scorpions have claimed to not be involved in the Scientist Conspiracy. They claim only their trothkin they left behind are degraza. They refuse to name those that they have abjured. This will be dealt with in the Grand Council. However, our watch when checking on what forces the Wolves had available to defend their enclave came across the Scorpion's Roche Galaxy. Judging by the advanced equipment they were fielding there is no doubt in our mind that they what the watch says they are, Pawns of the rebelious Scientist cells. Now, why is there a Galaxy of this scum on Circe? We can only assume that they were here at the behest of Khan Ivan Kerensky. We have only two clusters available to engage these degraza rebels and our air support. I have no doubts that we can prevent their departure with the Alexander Davion and Intrepid ovehead, but on the ground, we shall need assistance to smash their forces and find out what they are hoarding here. They may be watching over a cache of new resource material, experimental equipment or...well let us face facts, there are still Giftakes missing. I would not get my hopes up that they might have stored them here, but for that reason alone I would storm their camp unaugmented to find out! Either way." Kelse Howe looked that others having laid it all on the line. "What say you?"
"We accept trials from the Spirits, expecting honorable and even fights, expecting that they would not ever user the ilKhan's cowardly ban on trials to their favor, and then they take their actions. Then, you accuse us of hiding or being part of these forces that are hiding and ask for our help. On Tamar, forces under your clans command are tossing aside any semblence of honor, simply to try and destroy us. Why should we care of your difficulties? We have done nothing but treat your clans honorably. Our issue is with specific clans and the Grand Council as a whole and you treat us like vermin. But, we ARE Clan Wolf. We have our honor and we will fight beside you to destroy these forces. But, remember that in your sleep, when you try to wrestle with how such actions by your clans are honorable only in a truly hypocritcal society. We can only hope that some of the clans will see the error of their ways and find honor once again. Let us know where you plan your assault and we will be there and show you how true warriors fight."
The only answer that came back from the Blood Spirits was a deafening silence.
"Our Khan views your whole Clan as Abjured and as Abjured the requirement of trials is no longer required, but offered by us because we believe although your Clan has chosen to this path, that you warriors still have some assemblence of honor. You wish to debate Tamar here? Fine, your Khan stands beside the Not-Named, would dishonor all of your trothkin by associating them with those marked for death. We do as we must, as warriors. I have heard on the chatterweb your Khan's continued insults to those that offered honorable combat, and safcon for your fleet. What happens there will be of great portence to the Clans in general as is what happens here.
I asked you to put your quarrel with the spirits to the side and you test that boundry. You ask me about why you should aid us, perhaps you are unaware that there is a possibility that if there guard a genetics cache that the Great Father's Giftake may be amongst them. For you, even as abjured, you would get a place in the rememberance if we retrieve it from the Chalcas. Who knows what they could be planning on mixing the sacred giftake of the Founder with. The thought sickens me! And if you hold any ioto of warrior blood in you, it should sicken you too!"
"Our Khan, our clan, stands against those who would indiscriminantly annihilate populations based on their relation to a people they likely know nothing about. We stand against those who refuse to at least accept the possibility that the story we were told was a lie. Blind adherence to traditions does not make them right. And, I have stated we would stand by you. Now, were is it that you would have us meet our foe?"
"I like that you stick to your arguement. I think the key to your arguement revolves around the word
indiscriminanatly perhaps we can debate that later, but as you have pledged your support so I accept it. First we will make for the spaceport to meet up with the Valryvn Keshik and see what's keeping the Blood Spirits from answering our call."
Clan Snow Raven has 51 FP on Offensive Interdiction to prevent Roche Galaxy from leaving the planet.
QuoteThe only answer that came back from the Blood Spirits was a deafening silence.
The Ravens invited the Spirits to a face to face, did they decline the Ravens invitation?
Quote from: Fatebringer on August 24, 2010, 05:24:17 PM
The Ravens invited the Spirits to a face to face, did they decline the Ravens invitation?
OOC: Yes. After the Trial between the Ravens and the Spirits, the Spirits escorted the surviving Ravens out of their enclave, and have given nothing but silence since. So this face-to-face between the Ravens and the Wolves isn't happening in our territory.
Roger that.