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Once the Senior Star Admiral of the Clans arrived, he was less concerned about what he was facing in the skies above Tamar then ensuring all of his forces showed up. As he waited for the sector scan, saKhan Bryn Cooper already counted two dozen ships arrived with much more to come.

Well, Wolves may not be alone here.  Need to wait on another faction to weigh in.

We also need to see if the Camels get held up responding to enemy movment at Anteres.

Thirty light-years away, Khan Athena Kabrinski waited patiently for the Snow Ravens' signal on the bridge of her Clan's surviving Leviathan-class super Battleship, KMS Leviathan. "Galaxy Admiral" assured her that both the vessel itself, its escorting Destroyers, and the task group transporting Alpha Galaxy were charged and ready to jump. The hyperspace signal to the Snow Raven flagship had already been sent and acknowledged, so waiting was really the only thing left to do. The Snow Ravens hopes to find a Terran Fleet in the system. If they did, Alpha Naval Galaxy would be waiting to close the door behind them.

We're definitely gonna need an initiative roll here

Terrans
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 1, total 6[/blockquote]

The journey from the Star Adder zone had been uninterrupted, and they had meet the Raven forces as planned.  Jumping in with the Ravens, Star Admiral Chester Dwelley nodded in approval as his Flag Captain reported the transit of the Horse fleet.

"Signal to the flagship, Star Commodore.  Report our successful transit."

"Aff, Star Admiral."

CSR and Friends Initiative

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 1, total 6[/blockquote]

OOC: are the Bears coordinating with the other Clans or are they on a separate initiative?

One Init.

In that case, the Clan forces arrive just as the TH force jumps out.

So the ships from the intel report aren't there anymore?  Go CSA watch  ;D

(Well, at least the Watch had them as preparing to jump out. Apparently we just didn't get here in time.)

Responding to the Snow Ravens "all clear" signal, the Ghost Bear fleet jumped in and took up blockading positions.

The transmission from the planet was short.

"Clan forces, this is Khan Craig Fetladral.  State your purpose for being here.  State your batchall if you think you have a claim."

OOC - Just an IC bump.  Also, since this is a coordinated effort, can I please get the force listing and information.  I do request individual information on capital ships.

"Greetings Wolves. We saw your ... 'Friends' leaving as we arrived. We had hoped to work on our unfinished business with them, but no matter. While we are here, we wish to discuss the repercussions of your decision to abandon the clans thru self abjurement. Now, there is much that can be said about the Wolves, depending on who you ask about. What is certain is that although your holdings have waned, your strength has remained strong. It is the strength of a Clan. The honor of Kerensky. Tamar represents your successes on behalf of the Grand Councils decision to return to the Inner Sphere.

It was a shame to hear that Clan Wolf could not overtake their abjured trothkin. Your absorption completes your disgrace. However, this is a good day for those who wish to be remain warriors! It became blatently clear that your willingness to accept trials of absorption outside of the will of the Grand Council might just allow a way to settle things honorably. I, saKhan Bryn Cooper of Clan Snow Raven offer the exiled a chance to defend their prized bone with honor. We offer honorable combat.

A trail, with no more then one trinary for every Galaxy you have for possession of Tamar. For every loss, you forfiet that Galaxy to the winner, at the end of the trial if you are victorious, we leave. If we are victorious, whatever Galaxies that remain in your Touman, are granted Safcon to go rejoin the tainted league you serve willingly. Frankly, as you are abjured many of the Khans here feel that we should not treat with you in such an honorable manner. However, we Ravens have made a promise to restrain our admiralty and stop pouring down fire from the heavans. If we did, there would not be much left here worth trialing for."

The following Fleet is ready for Naval Engagement (Details PM'd to NVA)

Hell's Horse Fleet: 100 FP

Star Adder Fleet: 211.75 FP

Clan Snow Raven Fleet: 1155 FP
Fleet Command Star
Bearclaw Battle Star
Brim Naval Assault Star
Circe Battle Star
Dominion Naval Support Star
Hellgate Assault Star
Snow Raven Naval Assault Star
Star League Militia Fleet
Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star

The following is on Offensive Blockade orders

Alpha Naval Galaxy: 85.25 FP
KMS Leviathan         (Leviathan II)
KMS Battle of Alshain   (York)
KMS Ragnar Ghost Bear   (Lola III)

Camel Fleet: 50 FP (Texas, Liberator, Naga x4)


Edit: Further Details

"saKhan Cooper, I understand you command the arrayed forces against us.  I am Khan Craig Fetladral.  You seem to misunderstand what has happened here.  Our clan decided it was time to reunite.  A trial was fought to determine which of the two paths we had tested was right.  In this, my force was victorious.  There has truly only ever been one Clan Wolf.  Simply, two halves, not much different in some ways to the Mandrill's kindraas or the Cobra's cloisters.  However, it appears that we will have to prove our way to you.  The specific terms still have to be considered by the warrior council, as it was the warriors of Clan Wolf who decided we would reunite.  It was they who elected the new leadership.  It was the will of the Warrior Council that we take this path.  I cannot dictate to them a new course, as you suggest.  However, as I have always been, I am confident in our ability.  We are Clan Wolf, descendents of Kerensky himself.  The clan he chose to carry his dream and gifttake forward.  I can speak that the counsel will not accept your terms as presented.  You will have to risk more to try to gain a galaxy of Clan Wolf forces.  And, believe me, we are aware that you could descend upon us like barbarian lords.  However, we expect that your sense of honor and desire for a challenge will prevent that.  What terms would determine 'victory' for the larger battle?  What forces do you have to face us on the ground?"

"We believe in our traditions very much Craig, and we have seen the failures of those who divided to much. Do not think we have not been watching, just as you have been watching what we have been doing. You claim to be a 'decendant' of Kerensky? That denotes parantage, a very Freebirth trait, even when used for such an honored name. The last time I checked, no one bore the name Kerensky that did not first earn it. But who knows what the future holds, after all, your scientists that covorted to remove that hallowed giftake from the Grand Repository are still hiding out on Circe along with your garrison there. Perhaps they intended to breed new Kerenskies without you? *

What kind of leadership does this indicate in place for the united Wolves? I am afraid tradition also dictates the outcome of your trial, not your clever wording of events as you would 'like' to see them. I can not believe that you did not realize what it meant to us when you lost to the exiled, a known abjured force who abandoned the way of the Founder. You seem all too eager to follow Marco in joining the Terrans and the taint they carry. I am certain had we gotten here a bit earlier instead of waiting up for the others, we would see how loyal you were to the Founders decree. You know, the one we all voted to continue?

In regards to the ground forces we bring. I am certain you realize that Clan Snow Raven lacks the forces to garrison all of our worlds and challenge the Wolves, so in the spirit of Clan-Intercooperation as you have seen us use  lately, we have asked other Clans, one that have not abandoned the dream of removing the taint from Terra. To be frank, they agree that to allow the blood of Kerensky's Wolves to leave here and mingle with the Terrans would be a travesty we wish to avoid. Hence our reason for being here in force. Each Clan present brings at least one Galaxy. My own Clan has brought three. But you were right. It was our hope to avoid a slaughter that benefits no one.

I think our terms are not unreasonable. A chance for honorable combat against the Clans of Ghost Bear, Jade Falcon, Snow Raven, and the newly christened Camels that have shed their dead weight of their degraza brethren. I believe these forces would match up nicely against your ten Galaxies, but supported by our Naval escorts? There would not be a place you could run as the skies go dark at the approach of the Unkindness. Your ships would lie broken in wait for our techs to fix them, and then we would be off once more to hunt down those that have no name. You would be nothing more then a  bump in the road to Terra. Consider your position carefully before refusing us chance to prove that you are still worthy of our respect, even though you have followed a different path."

* Information we got on our Intel Op.

Well, that is the difference between Clan Wolf and many of the rest.  Kerensky saw that we were able to think for ourselves.  We see the questions in the history.  We are able to think for ourselves, as others have, and realize that our historical record does not add up.  Interesting that a freeborn mechwarrior was able to ferret out what you still refuse to consider.  But, it is not our place to teach you of your ignorance.  Our warrior council will meet and decide if we will acquiese to your threat to use orbital bombardment to get us to submit.  But, it will be your clan who is seen as the next one to speak with the forked tongue of the others.  For, you clearly recognize that you cannot defeat us honorably, so you will abandon your word to stand by the Ares II agreement you signed.  I will notify you once the warrior council has agreed to accept your trials as you present.

Of course, that was ooobviously the founders plan when creating more then once clan and a Grand Council for the representation of the people. That the vain Wolf should do their own thing, ignoring the other Khans and abandon his dream, because they are good at math?

Perhaps you do not read events as well as you think. Just like you trying to insinuate that our restraint and adherence to the Ares II convention was a threat. When I said our vessels escorts, I meant our vessels escorts, not our ships. Although I vouche for their accuracy, it is something we have sworn not to do.

Even as the Wolf and Raven commanders debate the Ares II conventions, someone else in Tamar has already committed to sunder them deliberately and with murderous intent. Received on all channels:

Quote
Utländska Klaner och falskt spontat bröder lika, tillhör denna värld endast för den fria folket i inre sfär!
Nu mörkrets makter, för vårt fosterland och vår heliga ära, smaka brännande bakgrund av frihet!
För dödsfall eller ära!  

Streaking out from carrier DropShips hidden in Tamar's asteroid belt, squadrons of Dominion-manufacturer VJ-67A Värja assault fighters charge towards the Clan WarShips. As they come into range, one ship after another is greeted by the shrill howl of their radiological alarms.


1. - 7. Kungliga Sjömålsrobotskvadron spends *******

Each of the 7 nuclear tokens are used for the following function:

QuoteForce a single WarShip to make a survival roll; if the roll fails the ship is destroyed even if not enough FP damage was inflicted to sink it.

Ships Targeted
CSA Bellerophon (Monsoon-class Battleship)
CSRS Wild Swan (Potemkin-class Cruiser)
CSRS Treachery (Potemkin-class Cruiser)
CSRS Rook (Potemkin-class Cruiser)
CSRS Shield of Alshain (Texas-class Battleship)
CSRS Snow Raven (Nightlord-class Battleship)
KMS Leviathan (Leviathan II-class Super Battleship)

Cest La'vie, the Terrans planned this well. "Survival Roll" is the 5 or lower and we're sunk roll right?

CSRS Wild Swan (Potemkin-class Cruiser)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 2, total 3[/blockquote]

CSRS Treachery (Potemkin-class Cruiser)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 2, total 3[/blockquote]

CSRS Rook (Potemkin-class Cruiser)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 6, total 12[/blockquote]

CSRS Shield of Alshain (Texas-class Battleship)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 1, total 5[/blockquote]

CSRS Snow Raven (Nightlord-class Battleship)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 2, total 3[/blockquote]

 :o

Doesn't matter as the Ravens fleet takes a pounding. SaKhan Bryn Cooper is dead. Default command goes to the ilKhan.

Sorry, Ilkhans not at this one. Will be Raven Alpha Galaxy Commander Thorsen Magnus unless a Khan steps up.

CSA roll
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 6, total 8[/blockquote]

I may if the Camels show up and no one's done it yet.  We'll let the RP speak to that, once we're there.

The Camels are listed as here and on Ground Support.

True, but my mind is still back an Anteres (and in an alcohol induced haze).

Assuming we've showed up, here's Amy Lynn:

"With Khan Cooper dead, we need a warrior with experiance in both naval and ground opperations to coordanate and carry on this ground mission.  As the most tenured Khan present, that duty falls to me to command this opperation.

"All units prepare to battle imediatly.  This dastardly attack will not go unpunished. Surviving Raven star commanders, check in at once with your status."

Amy on her ship turns to her staff.  "Someone figure out what the hell that message was, and who it was that did that."

OOC: I'd give Jedi a sec to A.) assess (Roll) the situation of his ship, and B.) Respond (Translate) to the message from athe attackers are they were "RasDom" vessels.

As the previous head of ground operations, Raven Alpha Galaxy Commander Thorsten Magnus will forward details to the Camel Khan and put marines out to retrieve pilots from the attack force.

Random event from Chaos Die: Before anyone in the Clan Fleet can consider attacking the Wolf Fleet, an unlikely persona takes charge. Star Commodore Lankenau of the CSRS Lord Death, known for his "erratic" tenancies, threatens to blow any force away that starts a conflict. Although currently silent, the big bores on his Aegis were speaking as loudly as anyone can in space. Soon after Star Admiral Nervis McKenna aboard the CSRS Blue Lancer puts out the order to increase the blockade until events can be determined.

(OOC: Why does everything interesting happen when I'm sleeping?)

KMS Leviathan
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 6, total 12[/blockquote]

(A rough translation in Star League English is forwarded from KMS Leviathan's Intel Section to all Clan flagships:

Foreign Clans and false-tongued brothers, this world belongs only to the free people of the inner sphere!
Now the powers of darkness, for our motherland and our sacred honor, taste burning light of freedom!
For death or glory!)

Athena Kabrinski: (KMS Leviathan)

"The fighter craft were a model we manufacture, but lacked recognition codes. Given what the interclan watch had to say about Terran operations in this system, preliminary analysis suggests the weapons were of Wolf origin and employed by Terran agents. There is much to learn concerning how these fighters made it into Terran hands, but it is not unreasonable to assume that the Wolves acted as a conduit."
(OOC: This bit totally pulled out of my ass. I haven't been given any special intel, and I had to use a translator service to get the message above.)

"While I recognise your seniority, Amy Lynn, I am for various reasons reluctant to accept your command of this operation. Will you yield?"

[Star Admiral Chester Dwelley, Sleipner]

"You can give orders until the heavens fall, Khan Lynn.  But the Horses for one, will never act on any Mandrill rant!"

(OOC: for the record, the enemy's force had only 1.75 FP total. After their nukes were spent, they were easily taken down by overwhelming Clan aerospace superiority. A few tried to ram smaller WarShips, but none succeeded.)

For the record, simple res roll for the enemy:

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 6, total 9[/blockquote]

Don't bother with warship survival rolls as I don't believe you have anything here with a low enough FP to be threatened by such a small force.

Crit check
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 4, total 9[/blockquote]

Crit

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 3, total 8[/blockquote]

Quote8 Encircle and capture 10% of opponent, add that FU to salvage.

Well, this is what I get for writing fluff before rolling everything out. Ignore the fluff in reply #31.




The attacking force, having spent their nuclear weapons, strafes a couple of the smaller WarShips then leads a large portion of the combined fleet's fighter force on a merry chase through the Tamar system's asteroid belt. In the end, the enemy force is hunted down and destroyed, but several Clan aerospace carriers are struck by asteroids and have to be abandoned in face of catastrophic hull breaches.

Technician Caste reports that these ships are salvageable but will take time to patch up and get back online.


The attackers inflict 0.75 FP of damage, plus 10% of the Clan force is abandoned in the asteroid field.
(OOC: since the attackers were destroyed they do not actually capture anything. The 10% FP is basically out of action and can be recovered by whoever has control of the system at the end of the current scenario)

Thosten: In this situation, our navy has essentially completed it's mission and of all of the Khans that seem to have an objection to the Camels taking charge of the trials, only the Ghost Bears have forces bid into them, and a relatively small continent at that. After the Ravens, the Camel Clan has brought the most forces here. If the assembled Khans can not agree to allow Amy Lynn command, I will hold onto ground command until this is over. The wolves await.

Amy Lynn: "Years ago, the Wolves were our closest friends.  It was they who alowed us to settle in the Inner Sphere, to help estabilish the independance from the other Kindraa that would over the years lead to the formation of the Camels.  We had pledged to support one another, with out condition.

"The Wolves betrayed that trust.  On two occasions, they have made an attempt to take our most important worlds from us.  They have allied with our enemies, they have made a pact with our Terran enemies, they have provided weapons that have struck with out honor, killing many of our allies.  We owe it to them, and to our selves, to ensure that justice is done.

"Many of us have had quarels in the past.  I must acknolage, the down side in being the most tenured Khan is that I had been around long enough to have made my share of mistakes.  I know of the Horses displeasre with our actions years ago in the war, and if you are willing to speak with me on this matter, I am prepaired to try and make amends.  As for the Bears, if you bare some greviance against me, I would address that as well.

"There is little that still needs doing here.  By our assent, the Khan of the Ravens set out the task before us.  What we need is a single voice to offer our answer to the Wolves, a voice that can speak with athority, with conviction.  As a Khan, I carry that athority, and as the Khan of a Clan that has brought each and every front line warrior it has to this battle, I hope to show my conviction."

OOC:

1) Dave, the Camels have bondsmen from the FRR and warriors of Lyran birth in their ranks, and one imagines the Bears have sizeable contingents of FRR natives, to say nothing of the other Clans with ties to the IS, so presuming the launguage spoken by the attackers could reasonable be assumed to be understood by a person from one of the represented nations, I would request a translation.

2) Is the 10% taken from just the force on Naval engagment, just the force directly attacked (the escorts of the fallen warships and survivers, which are doubtless substantial in power), just the blockading force, from all forces irrespective of their orders, or from some other group?

Shouldn't it be 10% of what ever force would be committed against the attackers?  I don't think 1000+ FP would have been committed against less then 10.  30+ is much more realistic (and I'll take it for the team out of the CASFs if that's how people want to handle it).

Realism vs Rules don't always match up as expected.  The player community already decided rules trump, one example being Leskovic.

Quote from: DisGruntled on July 28, 2010, 03:47:54 PM
Shouldn't it be 10% of what ever force would be committed against the attackers?  I don't think 1000+ FP would have been committed against less then 10.  30+ is much more realistic (and I'll take it for the team out of the CASFs if that's how people want to handle it).

Well, the qustion isn't "Is it reasonable that a tiny enemy force, numbing about .2% if its enemy, should be expected to be able to capture any amount of the enemy."  We all agree that the rules are the rules.

The qustion is, what is that forces enemy?

I would argue that the force in qustion "attacked" only the flotillas that it did attack, the seven named, so that force would be the force the 10% is assessed against.  There should be several hundred FP in these flotillas, more than enough to chace down some bandit scum.  And since we're almost sure to win the space battle, we'll get back what we lose, so its really a small matter.  I just want to be sure to establish it for any battles to come, and for RP.

I also think we should roll for our own defence, and crits, since some might have RP consiquences.

OOC: We have querried the realism of this event in the past, either way, we don't need to argue this ruling here and now. The 10% affects the listed naval forces just as a Hunting mission would and does not affect the ground. I will take all of the temporarily missing forces out of the Raven's massive Aerospace compliment here along the GM's "Lost in the Asteroids" line of thinking.

RPwise you can decide for yourself if someone in your touman can speakie the language. Don't need a GM for that. :P

As for rolls and crit, your right. If the GM's rolled for this, so should we. Who knows, perhaps we crit ourselves and they captured the Leviathan while they're at it? :P

Simres

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 4, total 10[/blockquote]

Crit Check

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 5, total 9[/blockquote]

Crit Roll (If Applicable)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 1, total 4[/blockquote]

Gain +1 on further rolls this combat (CO gains experience)

OOC: Who is the senior Naval officer present at this point? Are there any Star Admirals alive currently, or is it down to Star Commodores/Captains? Curious for RP

The Camels are lead by a Star Admiral, Victoria Lynn, a veteran of many battles.  But, most likely it would be the Raven XO who would have responded to the situation, since only the Ravens lost ships, and responded to the attack with their persuit (perhaps one of the fleeing ships was piloted by Han Solo...)

However, if 'this combat' should be taken to include all of combat, then it should go to which ever Khan or Galaxy Commander desplays the political fortitude to come out on top, probably as a refrence not so much to their millitary prowess (we're talking about Clan warriors after all; one battle is nothing new) but to the team building skills needed to keep such an unwieldly coaltion together.

As to the language, I'm certan someone in my touman speaks it.  I just don't myself, and I'm loath to trust an internet translator if there's some subtlty in there that speaks to who did it, or why, that I might miss.

Recently the Ravens went thru a restructuring, so people were shuffled around. With the saKhan and one Star Admiral out of commision, the Snow Ravens have 6 more Star Admirals at Tamar, who are listed below by Seniority.

CSRS Blue Lancer (Aegis) Star Admiral Nervis McKenna
CSRS Rook (Potemkin) Star Admiral Mikous Roul
CSRS Black Justice (Aegis) Star Admiral Donald Siegel
CSRS Dreadnought (Monsoon LF) Star Admiral Jacqueline McKenna
CSRS Blood Raven (Kirishima) Star Admiral Marius Sukhanov
CSRS Artemisia (Black Lion) Star Admiral Sarah Lankenau

Quote from: Iron Mongoose on July 28, 2010, 03:19:46 PM
OOC:

1) Dave, the Camels have bondsmen from the FRR and warriors of Lyran birth in their ranks, and one imagines the Bears have sizeable contingents of FRR natives, to say nothing of the other Clans with ties to the IS, so presuming the launguage spoken by the attackers could reasonable be assumed to be understood by a person from one of the represented nations, I would request a translation.

The machine translation that was done by Jedibear was fundamentally accurate other than a couple of little quirks, "motherland" rather than "fatherland" for example. The actual declaration was:

"Foreign Clans and false-tongued brothers alike, this world belongs only to the free people of the Inner Sphere!
Now, forces of darkness, for our Fatherland and our sacred honor, taste the burning light of freedom!
For death or glory!"

2) Is the 10% taken from just the force on Naval engagment, just the force directly attacked (the escorts of the fallen warships and survivers, which are doubtless substantial in power), just the blockading force, from all forces irrespective of their orders, or from some other group?

It would be from the naval engagement forces. To address the questions of realism, I frankly considered fiating the results to something more realistic, but no matter how silly the "10% of FU" (that typo in the rules almost makes me chuckle) event can be, its part of the rules and it sets a bad precedent to randomly alter results "just because I feel like it." So instead I did my best to prevent the results in at least a moderately rational RP wrapper.

OOC: Ok, so Fate, your roll in the Rolling Thread has saKhan Bryn Cooper alive. That solves my issue :)

(OOC: Um, so Bryn Cooper is alive now?

Well, strike all that RP then....)

Quote from: Dave Baughman on July 28, 2010, 07:09:42 PM

The machine translation that was done by Jedibear was fundamentally accurate other than a couple of little quirks, "motherland" rather than "fatherland" for example.

Eh, chalk it up to quirkiness in the Leviathan's intel staff. From a different planet, language drift, swedish and english are second languages, plus the translation was rushed.

((OOC: Bryn Cooper is still alive, but the RP stands: he is being retrieved from the shattered hulk of his ship. IC, as far as everyone knows, he went down with his ship. Check the Snow Raven RP thread, and it has him demanding to be taken to an operational ship. For all intents and purposes, nobody knows he is alive.))

OOC: Correct, word will trickle back to the fleet about 2 Days after the event. Day 3 he'll put out some tanding orders and be down for medical reasons until Day 5. Still waiting for Wolf responses though.

So, in the hours after the attack, when all this RP is going down, there's still a power vacume of sorts.

Amy Lynn: "At the Battle of Butler, I was on the bridge of the Leviathen [Din Steiner requested a liason from each Clan to his flag ship, which was the Leviathen at the time, and Amy filled that role for the Mandrills], and I know it to have suitable facilities for a Kuriltai of the leadership here.  If the Bears will assent, let us all conviene there, so that we can agree on our course of action with the death* of Bryn Cooper.  The Wolves are unlikely to respond to Bryn Cooper's challange overly quickly, as its their wont, so I doubt it will delay our mission greatly, and it will be best to know what remains our objective, and who shall be responcible for seeing it carried out."

Leviathan "We have no objection, and you are all welcome aboard this vessel."

CSRS Dreadnaught
Monsoon Class Battleship
Tamar System
18 SEP 3069

"Status!" Bryn barked as he stormed onto the bridge. "Holding my OvKhan. There is no word yet from the Wolves. There has been a dispute as to who should be overall commander while you were incapacitated. It appears this has been settled now and that they have agreed to allow Khan Lyn command." Bryn was ready to get upset. He took a deep breath. "Tell Galaxy Commander Magnus to send a party down to the Wolves and find out what is keeping them. Perhaps there is a problem with their communications. In the mean time, patch me thru to the Fleet."

A med tech followed him around to the commanders chair as "All hands, this is Senior Star Admiral of the Clans, SaKhan Bryn Cooper. A week ago, there was a terrible course of action undertaken in this system. The purpose was to weaken us but taking out our biggest ships. These cowards fail to see the source of our strength as the materials we use. Things and places are just that. The people aboard those ships will be remembered. We shall not allow these loses to distract us from our goal. If they had more ships, they would have sent them and crippled as much of our fleet as they can. As such, keep the fleet in holding position and make sure that if the pack of Wolves run, that they do not get far. An envoy is being sent down to see what is keeping Khan Fetladral. That is all."

The comm room was tense.  Since the unexpected loss of communication with the Snow Raven flag vessel, sensor techs and comm techs had been scouring for a reason.

"Khan Hall, estimates seem to indicate that nuclear devices were deployed against the fleet.  We still have an unknown status."

"Very well, open a channel to the largest remaining Snow Raven vessel."

"This is Khan Hall to the Snow Raven vessel.  We show an unexpected nuclear deployment and have lost channel with your command vessel.  Please state status of your trial intentions."

"Status!?" The suprise and rage belched from Bryn's lips. "We are still here, Quiaff!? We have not, nor shall not leave until this matter is settled! I am sorry to have to inform you that the Terran puppets did not do enough damage to clear you a path for you to join them as our offer for honorable combat does have it's limits! You have until Karachi catched up with Islamabad in three days to state YOUR intentions, when OUR envoy reaches Tamar City!"

The grimace on his face had nothing to do with the pain he was feeling. Bryn wanted to throw something as he flipped off the comms at him increased frustration at dealing with the wolves and not able to express it having only one arm. As his mind regained focus, there must have been some signal for the others in the room to resume interacting with him. The dumbfounded tech did nothing to hide his astonished expression. "WHAT!" The medtech swallowed. "Your fitting my khan."

At first Bryn didn't care what the man was saying, he just wanted to take his good hand and smash his face in now that it was free from the controls. Then the realization of why the man was saying punched thru his rage. For a few moments, Bryn said nothing, lost in though, but not so much thought as a memory. A memory of a man who was more metal then man. Swifter then a Jade Falcon and with more raw strength then a Star Adder...Bryn looked down at his stump and thought to himself. "To beat them man, I must understand the man. To beat a machine, I must become...a machine."


Edit: For those of you not from Tamar, Karachi and Islamabad are the planet's satellites.

The image of Khan Fetladral appeared in the holotank of the new Raven flagship.

"saKhan Bryn, our warriors have met.  We accept your challenge and will prove our way.  However, you will have to face each cluster to claim it.  As for the infrastructure of this world, each clan present may issue a challenge for any of it.  That will be defended by a cluster or similar each.  If victorious, the winner gets that infra structure, regardless of the outcome of the calculation for the planet.  Further, you did not lay any claim to our navy.  Therefore, unless utilized in battle, it is to be granted safcon should you win.  However, our naval commanders are eager to test their mettle against your clan again, so some of them will be available to defend against claims.  I believe it easiest if the clans assembled each lay claim to the infrastructure on the world and with which force they will try to claim it.  Our initial defensive bid will be one cluster, to be assigned.  One other note, as they have shown no ability to keep their word and have repeatedly commited dishonorable and cowardly acts, Clan Star Adder will be refused any combat by us.  Unless their leadership decides to guarantee that they will abide by their redes, stop the cowardly bombardments they utilize, and stop the lies they spread, they are not worthy to even have combat against dark caste.  That you would allow such ilk among your force is disappointing.  However, if they wish to admit their failures and cowardice, stop their attack against Howick, which they gifted to us as surkai for previous bad acts, and stop their attacks against Miquelon and Millerton, and abide by the conditions of trials fought here and elsewhere, we will accept limited challenges to give them a chance to perhaps prove their ability to act honorably to those clans present and to us.  One additional note, so that none may claim we are attempting to hide anything.  We have not finished reorganizing our touman.  It is possible that there are duplicate cluster names present.  We will list each seperate cluster individually and make some note to keep track of them seperately."

OOC - Going to post the listing of Infra and Clusters.  Warships are not included as 'targets' of trials, but may be used to defend certain resources.

Okay.  Looks like 58 ground units.  The 'aero' portions are to be included as part of the parent.  I am listing all units for simplicity and to comply by the game rules.  I am at the airport, so if I miss any of the clarification I promised, it is OOC rushing.  :)  Fate and I are still working this out.  CLEARLY, this will allow lots of MM and MA.  So, I will ABSOLUTELY need proxies.  Also, I think something this large could easily go multiple cycles.  Also, infrastructure is:

6 MF
3 SY
1 IC
1 RS
2 PF

Naval Assets: 162

CWS Agincourt (Monsoon LF), Regular / Reliable, 23.25 FP
CWS Brimstone (York), Regular / Reliable, 18.75 FP
CWS Chatsgove (Tracker), Regular / Reliable, 4 FP
CWS Consequence (Aegis), Regular / Reliable, 20 FP
CWS Ephitemus (Potemkin) , Regular / Reliable, 27.75 FP
CWS Full Moon (Potemkin), Regular / Reliable, 6.5 FP
CWS Hatakaze (Lola I) , Regular / Reliable, 3.25 FP
CWS Night Warrior (Carrack Military), Regular / Reliable, 5 FP
CWS Perdition's Flame (Fredasa), Regular / Reliable, 10 FP
CWS Provider (Volga), Regular / Reliable, 6.5 FP
CWS The Protector (York), Regular / Reliable, 18.75 FP
CWS Vasuki (Naga) , Regular / Reliable, 3.5 FP

CWS King Aux 1 (Star Lord), Regular / Reliable, 8 FP

Delta Naval Reserve
Defense Flotilla 8 (Odyssey), Regular / Reliable, 4.75 FP
Lupus Occular  (Hunter LF), Regular / Reliable,  2 FP

Ground Forces: 598.5 FP

Alpha Galaxy: 54.75
1st Wolf Howlers (Aero), Regular / Reliable,10
279th Battle Cluster, Veteran / Reliable,8
2nd Wolf Howlers (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 10
328th Assault Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10.25
4th Assault Cluster, Veteran / Reliable, 9.25
Golden Keshik, Elite / Fanatical, 5.25
Golden Keshik (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 2

Beta Galaxy: 144.5
125th Dragoon Cluster(Aero), Regular / Reliable, 12
13th Wolf Guards, Regular / Fanatical, 11.25
16th Wolf Guards, Elite / Fanatical, 10
16th Wolf Guards (Aero), Elite / Fanatical, 7.5
1st Cobra Coil (Aero), Veteran / Reliable, 24
2nd Wolf Strike Grenadiers, Regular / Reliable, 12.75
33rd Battle Cluster (Aero), Veteran / Reliable, 6
352nd Assault Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10.75
352nd Assault Cluster (aero), Regular / Reliable, 2
441st Wolf Guards (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 16
59th Wolf Guards, Regular / Reliable, 8.25
84th Cobra Coil (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 18
Spider Keshik, Elite / Fanatical, 6

Delta Galaxy: 65.75
103rd Striker Cluster, Veteran / Questionable, 14.5
341st Assault Cluster, Veteran / Fanatical, 16
4th Striker Cluster, Elite / Fanatical, 7.25
9th Wolf Guards, Elite / Fanatical, 14.5,
9th Wolf Guards (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 6.75
Red Keshik, Elite / Reliable, 6.75

Epsilon Galaxy: 39.75
Choyer Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
Dorbeng Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 8
Gurbeng Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 8
Nega Garrison Cluster, Veteran / Reliable, 10
The Green Keshik, Regular / Reliable, 3.75

Eta Galaxy: 55.5
2nd Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
3th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Veteran / Reliable, 12.5
5th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
6th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
9th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 13

Gamma Galaxy: 63
11th Battle Cluster, Elite / Questionable, 12.5
11th Battle Cluster,  (Aero)Regular / Reliable, 6
16th Battle Cluster, Veteran / Fanatical, 10.5
16th Battle Cluster,  (Aero) Regular / Reliable, 4
3rd Wolf Howlers (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 10
7th Battle Cluster, Veteran / Fanatical, 11.25
7th Battle Cluster (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 4
Bronze Keshik, Elite / Fanatical, 2.75
Bronze Keshik (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 2

Iota Galaxy: 33
10th Wolf Regulars, Regular / Reliable, 9
17th Wolf Regulars, Regular / Questionable, 5
20th Wolf Regulars, Regular / Questionable, 7
6th Wolf Regulars, Regular / Questionable, 7.5
The Blue Keshik, Veteran / Reliable, 4.5

Omega Galaxy: 32
101st Phalanx, Regular / Fanatical, 4
11th Wolf Chasseurs, Regular / Fanatical, 6.5
15th Wolf Chasseurs, Regular / Fanatical, 7.25
95th Phalanx, Regular / Reliable, 11
The Dark Keshik, Veteran / Reliable, 3.25

Theta Galaxy: 50.25
12th Wolf Regulars, Veteran / Fanatical, 10
13th Wolf Regulars, Veteran / Reliable, 8.5
1st Wolf Regulars, Regular / Reliable, 8.5
1st Wolf Regulars (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 6.5
2nd Wolf Cavalry, Regular / Questionable, 7.75
2nd Wolf Cavalry (Aero), Regular / Reliable, 6.5
The Wolfkin Keshik, Elite / Fanatical, 2.5

Ypsilon Galaxy: 60
4th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
7th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
8th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
10th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
11th Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10
1st Provisional Garrison Cluster, Regular / Reliable, 10

"Khan Fetladral, you face Clan Snow Raven and those that we bid for possession of this planet. Any forces we send down will act with honor and to question that, is to question our honor. From the force files you have sent us, you have proven two things. One, that our estimates of your forces here were correct, and two, that our offer to trail for your forces by Galaxy were aslo adequate. Some of your 'Clusters' are little more then a Trinary in force themselves and some of your Galaxies are smaller then even Raven ones. We find that your offer to trail for individual clusters is inadequate and wasteful. It would seem that your offer would also distrupt unit cohesion of your Galaxies, something we do not wish to see happen. Our envoy lands in three hours. You have an opportunity to find a middle ground before we must insist on our original offer."

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Galaxy Commander Thorsten Mangus fired the first shot. "This proposal of yours is an insult to us and the Founder's ideals. I can not believe you were actually proposing this. One trail for each cluster and building on this rock? Do you realize the position your in? Or the honor we are showing you by even offering you this opportunity? When we are done, we do not stop here. We take our forces and we seek out that Terran Fleet wherever they go. To accept over eighty proper trials would be ludicrous and time consuming" Thorsten leaned back, "First take, now ... give." "We are not blind. We do see the  need for the Wolf to salvage as much as you can from this situation and we respect this negotiating tactic. We offer to cut the trials into a number we all respect, Twenty-Five. The ones that win the most, keep what they have and the planet. The ones that lose, take what they have and are granted Safcon to leave. If we can agree on this, then we can start working on what each trial will include..."

"Yes Galaxy Commander, I do realize the position we are in here.  We are the owners of this world.  Our capital.  A mass of clans, operating jointly, in violation of the Great Refusal, have arrived to try to wrest the world from us.  This massed force attempts to bully its way into dictating the terms of the trial.  This is not Kerensky's way.  You seek to gain that which is not yours.  We will defend it with the forces available to us.  The alternative is for you to use your warships to fire upon the surface of this world, in violation of the rede of your clan.  Such an act would show that you are as low as the Falcons and Star Adders.  This is not the Clan Snow Raven I have even known.  You want easy gain?  Then go face some of the other Clans.  Instead, you have challenged Clan Wolf.  Perhaps, I should counter bid that when you lose, all the forces you have brought with you become part of Clan Wolf, quineg?  Such would be a similarly ridiculous claim.  So, my defensive bid stands.  Choose to either honor your words or attempt to wrest this world from us by abandoning your honor and we will use all the force we have available.  This is our capital.  We will defend it as such."

Thorsten stood up from the table and motioned to the rest of the delegation. "I see we do not need the full forty eight hours allotted for us to do this. I know when my time is being wasted." The ravens had little with them so they were ready to go quickly. "You claim to know your position and respect our ways, but I believe you are ignorant of both. Your time away from us has taken it's toll. We will bring those that are worthy back into the fold when this is over." Thorsten shook his head.  "As far as your leadership, you have proven an unwillingness to negotiate, you foolishly make demands without the power to back them up, and you have insulted us with unfounded accusations for the last time. I shall see you soon on the battlefield." With that the Raven delegation leaves.

Turning to those around him, before the Raven's were out of ear shot, Khan Fetladral gave a single order.

"Prepare to defend our home.  Tell the technicians to prepare everything in inventory.  Warn the people that the cowards of the other clans will likely hide behind their warships, as they do not have the courage or strength of a Clan of Kerensky."

When the envoy returned they reported to Bryn Cooper in the medical bay. Already there were representatives from the other Clans. A wicked smile crept on Bryns face as he looked out his good eye. The patch he wore barely covered the whole in his face from where the medics had to remove his eye. The skin littered with new metal bits showing the unfinished status of his implants. "Forgo the formalities, what is the situation?" Thorsten was staring at the man as he delivered his report. "The wolves were playing with us and made another reference to us using Space to Ground target practice of them. They would not budge on their insistance on excessive trials. When the disgraced tried to counter-bid, I nearly laughed. This man is no Khan. He has no care for what happens to his people."

"I see. Prepare your forces and coordinate with Khan Lyn CLOSELY!" Bryn looked at the Adder liason and the others. "We will send some of our ships to clearing the sky of their ships. It will be good experience for some of them. Send what you will to support them, but it will most likely be, not needed. Anything you do not send should join the blockade like with the Ghost Bears. But the Adders should keep their Citizen Wings ready for ground support. We know their Monsoon has a Santa Ana aboard her, but we do not know what is still on the ground of if they gave all of their nukes to the Terrans. I will be here until the ground forces are away."

Give me a minute to see what ships will be joining the Ravens.

OKay...Round 2 of fighting <Assuming Nuke Attack was Round 1>

Wolf Init -

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 1, total 5[/blockquote]

No need for initiative. Your Defensive Interdiction goes into place. Naval Engagement ensues to try and remove it. Please state the forces in your Interdiction. Specifics of Raven forces are being PM'd to you.

Bryn Cooper took a back stage to Star Admiral Jacqueline McKenna as she commanded her ship but he watched her carefully. "Target the Agincourt first and prepare the forward batteries. All eyes keep watch in case she fires that Santa Ana she has in her belly." Bryn noted that the nuclear missle was not listed on board when the Wolves send over their fleet information, but of course, who would? A naval Trinary of Raven Ships broke away from the fleet and move to engage the Wolf Warships protecting Tamar. Following them were three of the Adders. "Time to prove our faith in your abilities was not misplaced Jacqueline." The commander snorted at the SaKhan. "If you did not have faith in my abilities, I would not be here OvKhan. I find your playpul banter cute, but ill timed." Perhaps it was his ears, but Bryn couldn't help but noticed the mild inflection in her words. A mild seduction? After the battle, he would revisit his options after he'd was more whole. He looked down at the stump. It too was not covered in shiny bits as the med techs continued to prep his body for further work...

CSR + CSA: 568.25 FP on Naval Engagement.
Marines are present, but not listed in the FP per the new rules.

Well, I don't consider the nuke attack "Round 1", but a GM prempt event, and don't know why you want init for Round 2, but I'll roll it to get things moving.

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 3, total 8[/blockquote]

OKay.  After much debate and frustration, I just can't see Clan Wolf going down that path.  So...

A mass of fighters raised from the surface to defend the pending attack.  The Wolf warships took up position as well.

315.25 FP

CSR + CSA Naval Engagement Roll
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 3, total 4[/blockquote]

CWolf Naval Engagement Roll -

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 2, total 6[/blockquote]

50% damage dealt by Clan Wolf -

157.625 Damage

Survival Rolls -

Agincourt    Monsoon (LFB)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 6, total 7[/blockquote]

Brimstone   York

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 3, total 9[/blockquote]

Chatsgove   Tracker

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 3, total 7[/blockquote]

Consequence   Aegis (Clan)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 5, total 10[/blockquote]

Ephitemus   Potemkin (Clan)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 1, total 2[/blockquote]

Full Moon    Potemkin (Clan)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 2, total 4[/blockquote]

Hatakaze    Lola I

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 4, total 10[/blockquote]

Night Warrior   Carrack (Military)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 5, total 9[/blockquote]

Perdition's Flame   Fredasa

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 5, total 11[/blockquote]

Provider   Volga (Clan)

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 4, total 9[/blockquote]

The Protector   York

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 3, total 6[/blockquote]

Vasuki   Naga

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 1, total 7[/blockquote]

Round 2 - Naval Engagement

CSR / CSA: 568.25 FP
CW: 315.25 FP

CSR Roll: 4 +1 = 5 - 45%
CW Roll: 6 - 50%

No Crits

CSR Deals 568.25 * .45 = 255.75 FP in Damage
CW Deals 315.25 * .5 = 157.75 FP in Damage

CSR: 568.25 - 157.75 = 410.5 FP
CW: 315.25 - 255.75 =  59.25 FP

CSR gets 15.75 FP in Battlefield Repair
CW gets 25.5 FP in Battlefield Repair

CSR:  426.25 FP remain
CW : 84.75 FP remain

413.5 FP in the Space Salvage Pool from this battle.

Edit: Updated to include the +1 for the Crit result in Round 1

OOC Notes for Completion of this post later.

Okay.  After the loss of the two Potemkins, still have 193.05 left to distribute.

12 Naval Formations - 18 ground formations = 30 total formations

Survival Rolls for Clan Snow Raven Ships at Tamar

CSRS Artemisia

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 6, total 10[/blockquote]

CSRS Athena

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 1, total 5[/blockquote]

CSRS Blood Raven

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 3, total 9[/blockquote]

CSRS Carthage

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 4, total 6[/blockquote]

CSRS Chiyoda

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 4, total 6[/blockquote]

CSRS Dreadnought

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 5, total 8[/blockquote]

CSRS Faithful

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 3, total 5[/blockquote]

CSRS Hinda Shu

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 4, total 5[/blockquote]

CSRS Korsht

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 3, total 5[/blockquote]

CSRS Maunder

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 2, total 3[/blockquote]

CSRS Minoru's Gift

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 2, total 6[/blockquote]

CSRS Otranto

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 4, total 8[/blockquote]

CSRS Rakurai

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 2, total 6[/blockquote]

CSRS Spur

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 4, total 9[/blockquote]

Another round of lost ships for CSR as they lose a full naval star. Only two of the ships are deamed salvagable. CSA needs to roll their 3 ships.

Predicting a lose of 2 of 3 ;D
SAS Attentater (Aegis)
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 5, total 7[/blockquote]

CSAS Bellerophon ( Monsoon - LF)
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 6, total 7[/blockquote]

CSAS Constantineau (Liberator)
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 2, total 5[/blockquote]

I just don't have luck with the Liberators.....

You went from exchanging comments with the Wolves to a full blown series of naval simpres within hours.  What about the other Clans present, as for instance, I have the Horses fleet conforming to Raven command.

CSRS Dreadnaught
Monsoon Class Battleship
Tamar System
28 Sept 3069

"What the hell happened!" Star Admiral Mckenna called out. "Their dropships did not engage the CAP Admiral." The ship rocked slightly from an impact. "Signal the Constantineau to move forward with the Hinda Shu and the 1st and 5th TAC Wings to engage the fighters and bring our escorts back to smash these eggs like they were supposed to!" Another impact rocked the ship, this time much harder. "Admiral, the Dropships are making for the Fleet at better then full speed, some have lost control but are still on intercept vectors!"  Her eyes widened. "Stravag! They aim to ram the ships!" With a tilted head, Bryn looked almost bored as he watched her. Still there was a predatory look in his eye. "Of course they are Jacqueline."  She shot him a gaze intended to wound, but she was too busy to focus it properly. Although in the midst of a battle Bryn amusedly smiled at her. "Between the two Potemkins, there are too many Dropships to take them all out Admiral! They are sending everything they have at us!" Jaqueline stayed by the holotank listening to the techs calling out heading and bearings. Warnings being shot to all ships in the path of the spining metal balls that were larger then any NAC round. "Collision Alarm! All Starboard Batteries, FIRE!!" The lights dimmed temporarily as energy surged forth thru the massive weapons bays. "Status!?" The techs replied immediately. "The Hinda Shu is listing Admiral. They focused on her and her companions as well as the Liberator." Admiral Mckenna looked at the screen. "That can not be helped, it has the best anti-fighter weapons and if the Adders loose a ship too, let it be doing what it should be..."

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...."I am still in command of this ship!" She said throwing her head back defiantly. Bryn marched over to the Holotank where she was standing. "Aff Jacqueline, but you are also in charge of THAT ship, and THAT ship, and THAT one, and THERE!" Bryn shouted at her, stabbing his finger at the dead marked by the projector. "If you wish to command a Fleet, you must maintain your FLEET! Your failure to spot their tactic in sufficient time to prevent it, ...  was excusable, but your decision to send your fighters to react to their action instead of dictating the course of battle..." he leaned in putting his arm around her shoulder and whispered in her ear"...is unforgivable."  She didn't have time to react as he grabbed her chin into his bicep and twisted her head around, her body slumped to the floor unceremoniously. "Unworthy." He glared around the CIC. "Star Commodore Lester, signal for the Horses to take the place of the Adders. Their coils have proven weaker then I would like." The Commodore didn't stop to agree with the saKhan. Bryn marked how the man snapped to follow the orders. "Perhaps I have been too soft on the crews. Perhaps, your leadership failed to train you properly. In our haste to re-activate the fleet, perhaps a few of the Fledlings made it out of the nest when they SHOULD have been relegated to protomech duty! Are you Fledgelings!?" He shouted out. "No Sir!" the crew shouted back. "Good! Prove that her failings." He said as he kicked the body of the Star Admiral, "were not caused by you. If you fail me, there will be consequences...now, lets go take out that Monsoon like you were supposed to!"

The tech looked at the situation.

"Star Admiral, we took serious losses.  Only the Potemkins were lost among the warships, but, we lost 85% combat effectiveness of the rest of the formation.  It looks like the cowardly snakes are falling back and the Horses are preparing to advance with the Snow Ravens."

Looking around, the Star Admiral stood tall.

"We are warriors of Clan Wolf.  Chosen of Kerensky.  We shall make those who oppose us regret their decision, even if we die in the process.  Prepare all ships, firing line Delta.  Focus on the most dangerous targets.  Let us see if we can remove any more teeth from the mouth of these welps."

CW on Naval Engagement - 108.75, if Fate's math was right.
Marines not included in FP.

2 to 1 odds

2 FP fall back to defensive interdiction Orders

The Star Admiral watched as his ships moved into formation.  He could not help but take a swipe at his opponent.

"Tech, open channel to saKhan Coopers ship."

"Channel opened."

"saKhan, I am not sure who your Star Admiral is, but, they have been defeated.  Your ships litter our space now.  You have fought well and I offer you hegira, that you may began SAR operations to gather your crews."

The answer came in the form of Naval Fire.

If you want to try the delaying tactic, you'll need to win the inititive.

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 1, total 5[/blockquote]

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 1, total 6[/blockquote]

In response to a PM discussion that revealed rules irregularities, everything after the initiative roll has been split off.

We are currently at the start of Step 2 of Operational Round 3. The Wolf Clan has won initiative and may declare orders first.

Quote from: The Rules
Combat Procedure

The general procedure for combat is as follows:

1. Initiative: all involved factions roll 2d6 to determine the order they will declare orders in.

2. Declare Orders: each faction announces its actions.

3. Special Scenarios: any unique rules or conditions should be disclosed at this point (if they have not already).

4. Resolution: play MegaMek or roll for simple resolution.

5. Damage Control: any force that took damage but survived the combat regains 10% of the lost FP (round to the nearest 0.25).

6. Conclusion: in Raid and Battle type scenarios, the attacker withdraws to an adjacent friendly hex (if applicable). In Invasions, repeat steps 1-5 as neccessary until the Invasion has been completed.

Game on, and please contact the GMs if you have any disagreements about how the combat rules operate.

Fate - The role play from above is still valid, but, disregard the orders I posted around it.

<<Bump>> It's been a week, any update on the Wolf intensions for Round 3?

10 FP convert to Guerilla Warfare orders.  GMs ruled this essentially means they are hiding out in space and have standard GW affects.
70 FP move to engage the opposing fleet on Naval Engagement Orders.  Since I don't have exact FPs on what is left, since it will all die, this includes all the warships.

RP - "saKhan, your forces took grievous losses.  You have been given an opportunity to accept hegira and withdrawl with your honor intact.  You accuse us of suggesting that you would use dezgra tactics, like those you fight alongside.  Well, when you sleep with smelly snakes, you are going to smell like them.  We have not fought along side the Hegemony to date and for a reason.  We do not hold you responsible for the actions that other clans take against us, until you fight with them.  Do not hold the Terran's actions against us.  Withdraw and we can begin SAR operations.  Otherwise, let us dance again.  Do any of you have the stomach for an honorable fight?  Or, shall you cower behind your numbers to ensure your victory?"

For your numbers, CW : 84.75 FP remaining in ASF / Warships
http://intelser.org/forums/index.php?topic=659.msg10131#msg10131

So it appears the 10 FP in Guerilla Naval Force are apparently hiding in that Asteroid Belt.

Q: What will the remaining 4.75 FP of Wolves be doing? (Default is Defensive Interdiction)
Q: Will "Space" Guerilla Warfare be a Permanent Rule?
Q: Can there be more then one Guerilla Force in a system? (AKA Ground and Sky?)
Q: Are there any Warships in the Guerilla Force?

Q1 - They are on default orders.  They are 'behind' the NE force and can't be used or targetted until the NE is dealt with.
Q2 - Space GW is not new.  Nothing in the rules ever prohibited it.
Q3 - An interesting question...Dave did not weigh in on that possibility, as he did on the rest.
Q4 - No.  If I had calculated the exact FPs out, I might have had the Agincourt stay in the held back force.  But, I went for simple. 

A1: Per the PM's I got from the GM, I believe I can engage both the Naval Engagement and the Default Defensive Interdiction just like last time. You are in the new PM.
A2: I've never seen this before, but I guess there are plenty of places in space a unit can go hide. The GM's gave you a nice Asteroid belt from wich to nuke us from if you have anymore :P
A3: I'm guessing if they are 2 different areas of combat, then yes. The idea of Space Guerilla Forces will lead to many further questions.
A4: You may not, but if this is a permanant rule, I would like clarification for further turns.

Ordanarily, I'd do this as a PM, but with so many people involved I didn't want to miss anyone or seem to be sneeking around on it:

The precedent is that space guerilla is not permissable, at least under the previous administration.  I've asked on a few occasions, such as at Irian as one I can remember, and was told no: http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,40363.msg985314.html#msg985314

Now, its the right of the GMs to change that, but its not correct to say its always been that way, and that answer has informed my decisions in subsiquent actions, and perhaps thouse of others as well, who might have asked for space guerilla if not for the knolage that it had been prohibited, so I think this is a change that needs to be noted.

I will allow the GMs to weigh in, as it is their rulilng.

Last time "Space Guerilla" was attempted, the previous GM team squashed it but never changed the rule. The text of the rule doesn't restrict what units can be assigned to Guerilla Warfare.

The Rules As Written^TM always supercede prior precedent unless the current GM team specifically make an exception. GM exceptions are not precedent-setting unless the rules are subsequently changed.

To answer the specific questions:

1) At this time I do not plan on removing the ability of non-ground units to be designated as Guerillas. Most Star Systems have plenty of places for a small force to hide and conduct disruptive low-level warfare (though... if I were a player I would totally characterize it as piracy in my propaganda!)

2) Each faction can designate up to 10 FP of forces for Guerilla Warfare. These could conceivably be split between multiple locations or drawn from different units.

3) WarShips put on Guerilla Warfare orders need to be explicitly identified and will need to make a WarShip Survival Roll in connection with the damage they take from going onto GW.

Let me know if there are any other questions on this one...

I'm good here. Aside from NVA declaring if one of his warships is moving to Guerilla action, I will have to re-add up all of the current Invasion Fleet as it was defined in PM's that the Wolves are engaging the Whole Fleet to prevent anyone from challenging the Defensive Interdiction. The Blockaders remain in place. Are you still sticking with the original RP where you Destroy the Nuke?

QuoteGuerilla Warfare
Type: Invasion
Requirement: Ground forces only
Effect: Survivors from any other Battle type order may be designated as Guerillas. Any forces designated as Guerillas immediately take 1d6 FP of damage representing materiel losses in the process of going to ground. Guerilla units become Static units and cannot be moved until friendly forces regain control of the star system.

The maximum Guerilla force (per faction) in any star system is 10 FP.

quoted from the rules thread. It seems that the 'rule as written' actually does prevent space gureilla forces. Dave, does that mean you are making an exception here?

Also, it says there can be no more than 10FP of gureillas in a star system per faction. So assuming Dave makes an exception, it would allow for Space and Ground, but they'd have to combine to no more than 10FP.

Dave, to clairify: does the 10FP force that goes to ground take the 1d6 FP damage, or does the parent unit take it before the guerilla force's FP is finalized?

Quote from: Daemonknight on August 18, 2010, 09:47:04 PM

QuoteGuerilla Warfare
Type: Invasion
Requirement: Ground forces only
Effect: Survivors from any other Battle type order may be designated as Guerillas. Any forces designated as Guerillas immediately take 1d6 FP of damage representing materiel losses in the process of going to ground. Guerilla units become Static units and cannot be moved until friendly forces regain control of the star system.

The maximum Guerilla force (per faction) in any star system is 10 FP.

quoted from the rules thread. It seems that the 'rule as written' actually does prevent space gureilla forces. Dave, does that mean you are making an exception here?

Also, it says there can be no more than 10FP of gureillas in a star system per faction. So assuming Dave makes an exception, it would allow for Space and Ground, but they'd have to combine to no more than 10FP.

Dave, to clairify: does the 10FP force that goes to ground take the 1d6 FP damage, or does the parent unit take it before the guerilla force's FP is finalized?

I don't know how I missed that little detail, but the rule prevails in this case.

My apologies to anyone who my prior posts lead astray -- though in the future this is something that may be implemented.

Sorry, for now no space forces on GW.

having said that, let me answer the second question:

The 10 FP that goes to ground takes the 1d6 damage, not the parent's "non-guerilla" troops. Basically, you never have more than 9 FP on GW unless the Guerillas subsequently roll well on their guerilla table roll and get reinforced.

Okay.  I just need to review the other decisions, as I am STILL confused what advantage winning init provides.

Given some realizations, then, here goes, again.

75 FP moves forward for NE. 
All warships included. 
Nuke to be destroyed.

So that defaults your 9.75 FP to DI as your 75 FP of Warship push forward to engage the Entire Invasion Fleet to prevent them from engaging the DI.

CSR Invasion Fleet: 1128.25 FP

*rubs chaos dice, prays to Gnu*

Wolf Damage Roll

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 4, total 9[/blockquote]

CSR Combat Roll at over 3:1 Odds.

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+1 : 2, 6 + 1, total 9[/blockquote]

*reprays*

Wolf Crit Chance

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 1, total 7[/blockquote]

CSR Crit Chance

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+1 : 1, 5 + 1, total 7[/blockquote]

Round 3 - Naval Engagement 3:1 Odds

CSR: 1128.25 FP
CW: 75 FP

CSR Roll: 8+1 = 9 - 80%
CW Roll: 9 - 60%

No Crits

CSR Deals 1128.25 * .8 = 902.5 FP in Damage
CW Deals 75 * .6 = 45 FP in Damage

CSR: 1128.25 - 45 = 1083.25 FP
CW forces are Destroyed.

CSR gets 4.5 FP in Battlefield Repair
CSR:  1087.75 FP remain

120 FP in the Space Salvage Pool from this battle.

Round 4 Wolf Init

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 1, total 2[/blockquote]

CSR Initiative

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 3, total 5[/blockquote]

"Who remains from the Maunder's Escort?" The tech quickly looked up the information in the codex list. "Star Captain Leslie, ovKhan." Flippantly Bryn waved his stump, then frowned. "Tell the Adders tehy can finish the kill. Send this Leslie as back up. We are behind schedule, and tell Thorsten to make ready, we need to send a message."

CSA + CSR: 38.25 FP on Naval Engagement Orders.
Cyntho Escort Fighters,  Regular / Reliable, 20 FP
Constantineau Escort Fighters, Regular / Reliable, 9.75 FP
Tactical Air Wing (CSRS Maunder Escort), Regular / Reliable, 8.5 FP

CSR Naval Engagement Roll - Turn 4 - Over 3:1 Odds

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+1 : 6, 6 + 1, total 13[/blockquote]

"See the cowardly snakes again.  They know we are their better.  They will never face us at anything less than a 3 to 1 advantage.  Let us teach them anyway.  Destroy as many of the feckless surats as you can."

9.75 FP

Wolf Roll

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 4, 1, total 5[/blockquote]

CSR Crit Chance
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+1 : 5, 3 + 1, total 9[/blockquote]

CSR - 1 Crit Roll

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 6, total 7[/blockquote]

Round 4 - Naval Engagement 3:1 Odds

CSR: 38.25 FP
CW: 9.75 FP

CSR Roll: 12+1 = 13 - 100%
CW Roll: 5 - 25%

CSR Crit reduces damage done by 20%, increase damage done by 15%.

CSR Roll: 100% + 15% = 115%
CW Roll: 25% - 20% = 5%

CSR Deals 38.25 * 1.15 = 44.25 FP in Damage
CW Deals 9.75 * .05 = .5 FP in Damage

CSR: 38.5 - .5 = 38 FP
CW forces are Destroyed.

CSR does not benefit from Battlefield repair.

10.25 FP in the Space Salvage Pool from this battle.

PMing Ground Forces

Clans: 1347.5 FP move to the surface of Tamar to Engage Clan Wolf.

463.25 FP of Ground Forces Available

Round 5 Init

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 2, total 4[/blockquote]

We're showing 445.25 of Wolves left.

CSR intiative - Round 5

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+1 : 4, 5 + 1, total 10[/blockquote]

Sorry, :P It's a 9, still had the +1 in there from combat rolls.

Fate advised me that because of the general Clan engagement, survial rolls needs to be undertaken for several Horse vessels.  Here goes...

Sleipner

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 1, total 3[/blockquote]


Red Knight

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 2, 1, total 3[/blockquote]


Mount Olympus

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 1, total 4[/blockquote]

Wolf Ground Forces use Scatter orders.  Final number to be based on GM question.

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 5, total 10[/blockquote]

OKay, I believe that means 10% of whatever the final determination is.

Surveying the battlefield, Bryn watched the dropships burning for atmo. "Khan Lynn, your forces will be attacking fron the south along with the Falcons. The Bears and Ravens will attack from the north under the command of Alpha Galaxy Thorsten Magnus. We have done our part, now get in there and tear those wolves apart!" A ping precluded the Camel Khan's reply. "Take care not to over exert yourself, Khan Cooper," Amy said coolly.  "Save your strength for fighting our enemies, lets you should have a fight amoung your friends." Bryn looked over to where the Jacquelines body had fallen. It was gone now, but he still remembered the sound it made as it hit the floor. "I can still suprise you. Just make it happen and quickly,  before they go to ground! "

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Khan Amy Lynn watched out of the dropship viewport. They'd passed the last of the littered space debris and were getting ready for final burn. "People of Tamar, the warriors that once swore to protect you by clan law have abandoned their oathes. They have chosen to follow the ways of the Usurper instead of the ways of the Founder.  The Watch has confirmed at least one Nuclear Weapon was aboard the Agincourt, a fact that sunk her. We do not known how many they have left after giving from their stockpiles to the Terrans.  Make for cover and shelter yourselves in case they should chose to go that far. You will not suffer for their audacity." She calmly put down the microphone and headed for the mech bay.

"To the cowards of Kerensky bearing down from space, your doublespeak and forked tongues do not sway us.  The Wolves are not the betrayers.  Each clan has nuclear devices.  There is no secret there.  But, so does each house.  That you would assume that we would supply the Terrans with such devices only shows your continued ignorance.  We will stand beside those brave warriors of Clan Wolf.  We do not fear you.  We revile you.  You are cowards all.  Snakes, who know that it takes at least 3 of you to equal a single Clan Wolf warrior.  This has been shown on world after world.  So, speak well of yourself, for your words fall on deaf ears.  Instead, your actions, you cowardice, is what will always be remembered.  The people of Tamar wouldn't even piss in your genepool, for such would improve you.  I am Governor Slantakhis and I dare ANY of you to meet Clan Wolf in honorable combat.  But, I know you do not have the courage.  In fact, I offer to meet any of you in single combat.  Is there a single clan warrior who believe themself capable of defeating a mere Governor of a Clan Wolf world?  I doubt it, based on the actions that have occurred.  But, my challenge stands.  I will meet any of you in single combat in my battlemech."

A staticy transmission is recieved from a Clan Jade Falcon Overlord-C transport.

"I, Star Commander Alexi Pryde, of the Jade Falcon Phi Galaxy, accept your challenge! My Star shall accompany me to a site of your choosing, to monitor our battle. They will swear a rede to refrain from intervening, except to remove my body and mech should I fall."

"Star Commander Pryde, I, Star Captian Cary Grant of the Camels' 61st Firestorm Cluster will bid against you for this right.  I bid myself (1/2) in a Turkina B."

Clan "Wolf" was now giving civilians battlemechs, how low they have fallen in such a short span of time.  It was just another blatant attempt at stalling this whole operation.  Granted the cowards hiding below were not stupid.  Their only hope was the arrival of an accursed not-named fleet and they were doing all they could to delay the inevitable.  It was up to the Adders to keep the Coalition on task if at all possible.

445.25 * .1 = 44.5 out of position to respond leaving Clan Wolf with 400.75 FP for the Ground Battle.

The ground forces proceed to roll out with superior air power as all of the Wolf air is gone. Please take the side challenge to a new thread, forces there are negligable and will not effect the Round's combat. Bid well, the Govenor's probably some retired Star Colonel in a 1/2 Direwolf Widowmaker.  ;D

Back to the round's combat.

Clans: 1337 FP

Thorsten pushed forward in his Dire Wolf knowing that the clan who had produced the machine stood in front of him on the battlefield. They were fine warriors, but they suffered an infection at the hightest levels of their command and infection that has spread to all those in front of them. They thought they were the best, but they had spent so long on top, when they started to fall, they fell fast and hard and the desperation in their voices as they refused to remain clan showed that this had to be done, and of course, but who knew the Ravens would be there to pick up the pieces.

"To those who claim to be honorable before us on the field of battle.  I am saKhan Ivan Kerensky.  Hear me and hear me well.  Your leaders here wish to keep their heads buried in the sand.  I cannot entirely blame them, as I did as well for so long.  But, the truth is out there.  Those  who they seek to destroy are guilty of nothing, except possibly being exceptional.  The Not Na...Neg.  I will not do it anymore.  I will not sully a name simply because tradition dictates.  I will NOT bury my head any longer.  Clan Wolf was tasked with the destruction of Clan Wolverine.  For a long time, we stayed to that task.  Then, we learned, it was a lie.  That is right.  Clan Wolverine is not responsible for the destruction of Dehra Dun.  This will anger the Ravens, but, I suspect they know the truth as well.  Clan Snow Raven is in fact responsible for the accident that led to the destruction of Dehra Dun.  I can not deny the evidence.  At what appears to be the ilKhan's order, a nuclear device was supposed to target a Clan Wolverine naval vessel.  In defending itself, that vessel disabled the Snow Raven fighter which carried that weapon.  That fighter fell upon Dehra Dun.  And, why did Kerensky order this?  It appears, simply because the Wolverine's were becoming superior to the other clans and had enacted rules loosening the restrictions on caste.  Restrictions that it now appears were meant to be temporary.  Clan Wolf is not here to destroy those traditions.  We have always been one of the most liberal clans with this regard, which is why we ascended so far.  Now, we stand ready to defend ourselves and our way.  We are prepared to do it according to Kerensky's traditions.  Which path shall you follow?  Shall you adhere to those traditions, confident in your superiority over your foe, such that you do not require as much force.  Or, will you continue the cowardice of your leaders, hiding behind excuses.  The governor of this world has received a couple of acceptances to his challenge.  Do any of you dare to face me?  I am saKhan Ivan Kerensky of Clan Wolf and I challenge any of you to honorable combat.  Do any of you have the courage and skill to face me in one on one comabt?  Or, are you all chaclas cowards?"

"Evidence? The evidence was presented to the Grand Council years ago and even Clan Wolf voted to continue the annilation because they knew then that the tape was a sham and that the Not-Named were guilty of so much more that never went to trial because they were already being put up for Annihilation.

The desperation in your voice betrays you Ivan. You were weak, the exiled were weak, you both gambled away your status of an honorable clan in a desperate attempt to be strong again, and lost. You knew that when you chose to abandon the ways of the founder that we could not allow you to leave and bolster their numbers. This is the way it must be."

Thorsten switched to the tech frequency. "Jam them, I tire of their whining."

Clan Combat Roll - Ground Attack - Round 5

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+1 : 6, 6 + 1, total 13[/blockquote]

Clan Crit Chance

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+1 : 5, 4 + 1, total 10[/blockquote]

Crit Roll 1

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 5, total 11[/blockquote]

Crit Roll 2

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 1, total 4[/blockquote]

CW Roll

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 1, 4, total 5[/blockquote]

Wolf wiped out.  Clans take no damage I am sure...Rd 6

CW Init

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 2, total 8[/blockquote]

(You all roll too fast, I was going to RP...)

"You speak of things which happened hundreds of years ago: things which, despite all your protestations, there is no real evidence for. Things which, today, are not remotely relevant."

"The reason we are here is rooted in the here and now. Whether we will it or not, the Terran Hegemony is determined to destroy us, and we have no choice but to answer that determination with force. Ivan, once named Kerensky, it is clear to all that you no longer walk the Honor Road, and it is for that that you will be destroyed, without the honor you no longer deserve and without the mercy you are not wise enough to seek."

((Sorry about that. :P Last day of the Cycle and all. Insert a Seyla before we jammed))

Round 5 - Ground Battle 3:1 Odds

CSR: 1337 FP
CW: 400.75 FP

CSR Roll: 12+1 = 13 - 100%
CW Roll: 5 - 25%

CSR Crits
+1 to further rolls
Double Damage


CSR Roll: 100% * 2 = 200%

CSR Deals 1337 * 2 = 2674 FP in Damage
CW Deals 400.75 * .25 = 100 FP in Damage

CSR: 1337 - 100 = 1237 FP
CW forces are Destroyed.

CSR gains 10 FP from Battlefield repair.

R-Teams scour the field and pull salvage before it's unusable.
500.75 FP in the Ground Salvage Pool from this battle.

CSR Init Turn 6

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 2, total 8[/blockquote]

44.5 FP Left

Wolf Scatter Roll

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 5, 6, total 11[/blockquote]

Wolf Damage Roll

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 3, 1, total 4[/blockquote]

Forced Withdrawl -

I don't know the National Capital roll.  However, we have mixed skill levels, etc, so will ignore those.

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6 : 6, 2, total 8[/blockquote]

I'm pretty sure we all know there is no fire from the heavens coming down.

CSR commits 150 FP to the final push (Tells each Clan to pull back and only commit 1 Clusters)

CRS Combat Roll - Ground Battle - Turn 6

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+2 : 2, 4 + 2, total 8[/blockquote]

Crit Chance

[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+2 : 1, 3 + 2, total 6[/blockquote]

44.5 * .11 = 5 out of position to respond leaving Clan Wolf with 39.5 FP for the Ground Battle


Round 6 - Ground Battle 3:1 Odds

CSR: 150 FP
CW: 39.5 FP

CSR Roll: 6+2 = 8 - 75%
CW Roll: 4 - 20%

No Crits

CSR Deals 150 * .75 = 112.5 FP in Damage
CW Deals 39.5 * .2 = 8 FP in Damage

CSR: 150 - 8 = 142 FP
CW forces are Destroyed.

CSR gains .75 FP from Battlefield repair.

47.5 FP in the Ground Salvage Pool from this battle.

Clan Wolf has 5 FP remaining on Tamar, hex is contested.

Terror Roll

Only modifier is the 7 Nukes used in space.
[blockquote]Rolled 2d6+7 : 6, 6 + 7, total 19[/blockquote]

I swear the rolls here are trying to make up for my Suck at Panpour :P

19 - Affects the entire hex and 5 adjacent hexes

My Tamar File has been sent to all the Emails I have addy's for that participated. Those who did not have email Addy's, have recieved a breif PM with a run down of their force numbers. Thank you for your patience, and your support  :-*

Since there are 6 additional adjacent hexes, I will roll to see which one is NOT terrorized.

1 - 2413
2 - 2414
3 - 2513
4 - 2515
5 - 2613
6 - 2614

[blockquote]Rolled 1d6 : 2, total 2[/blockquote]

So, 2414, Volders/Weingarten is NOT Terrorized.  All other adjacent hexes are.