OOC Thread

[Fatebringer]

  <<Glares>> What did you tell that Freebirth to do!?!? 

[Iron Mongoose]

I think Holt would probably have about $40, give or take.  Not half bad.  Though that's counts some lesser, 90 degree turns, in addition to the several really significant changes, and counts changes that did infact make sense IC.

Anyway... it is the might makes right Clans, so its not as rediculious as it would probably seem, and there has sometimes (the Wolves have been one of the most schizophrenic Clans, due to very freequent leadership changes) been a very good repore between the two sides, with some degree of fraternization.  Its not a huge streatch to imagine them looking at a victorious group that has the same traditions, the same blood names, and even few friends on their side of the fence, and seeing that it might be a fairly painless transition.

Or it might not.  Its really hard to say what is right for the Wolves at any given moment.  That why we need to wait and see the RP about this.  Which Wolves showed up today?  Where are they comming from as far as their point of view?

As to being part of the SL or the GC... the only known statment so far is that they have reunited in the guise of the Exiles, as SL members.  But, would it be beneath the Wolves to say that to the Terrans, and say something else to the GC?  I think not.  If just lieing could keep a massive invasion off my capitol, I'd lie all the damn time (in the FWL, I often did).  Again, let's see the RP here.

I for my part am excited.  Noe's always been a strong RPer, someone with a good understanding of his faction built up over four years of playing this game, so I trust that things will all shake out right, and we'll see a very intrsting story of how this is to unfold.

Though don't be supprised when we don't buy it IC and jump all over you, just because we think we can get away with it.

[Iron Mongoose]

As for the name Lan... all the Lan's I know are girls... just FYI

[Daemonknight]

lol

[Cannonshop]

Hey, it's a good vietnamese name.  Lan Nghien's seen as a traitor on his homeworld of Kowloon as a result of his defection-his family's disowned him and everything-his action is viewed as an act of surrender and betrayal.

The name itself refers to a fictitious quadrupedal animal with a horn-a kind of analogue to a unicorn (In Viet), "Fence" (as in the thing you put up to keep a neighbour a good neighbour) in Chinese, and it's also a traditional male name in Hebrew-(I have no idea what the meaning is...)

He was a Marine NCO aboard the LAS Antwort, and was captured during the joint Clans' defense of Somerset/Addergrad in C 26.  The other survivor of note from that is his ex-fiance' Giao Pham, a Kowloonese "Rockjack" who was the CPO in charge of the 2nd Shift Jumpgang (KF Systems crew, engineering, you know, 'snipes').  Unlike her ex, Giao fought for, and WON her freedom through single-combat with a Clan Warrior under Clan terms of honour.  (Hint: don't get into a zero-gee fistfight with a zero-gee martial artist, unless you ARE one!)

Apparently, Lan's Career with the Star Adders has been largely comprised of assisting them in developing their 'black bag' operations-which is not so unlikely, since his prior career before being recalled to active service was as an investigation specialist with the Organized Crime Bureau of the Kowloon Coast Guard, an agency focused on a planetary/regional scale doing many of the same jobs LIC would do-if they were really bored and felt like chasing down the paper-trail and fences in the Black Market to find Pirates, Bandits, Serial killers and the like...naturally, his assignment as a door-kicker on the Antwort was a complete waste of a good investigator, but the Coast Guard is technically Lyran Naval reserve, not LIC reserve, so there you are... his MILITARY occupational specialty was "Shipboard Infantry" (All Marines are Infantry, some just fly fighters or drive tanks instead.)

[JediBear]

But, considering the trial was for leadership of teh united Wolf and validation of the victors methods...

Interestingly, that makes it kind of a Trial of Whatever. A Trial of Grievance could be used to "prove Vlad wrong" as you say, and a Trial of Posession could unite all the assets of the former Clan Wolf into one house or another, but no form of Trial can decide the leadership of a Clan and the idea of using a unilateral Trial of Posession to create a de-facto Absorption and withdraw an entire Clan from the GC is legally dubious.

As the GL, I can't help but come to the conclusion that this Trial was illegal and a defiance of the Clan Way that demonstrates either an ignorance bordering on heresy or outright heresy. And the latter case would make the Trial unnecessary.

Does the unified Clan Wolf intend to send representatives to the Grand Council?

[Daemonknight]

As soon as word reaches the GC, the Trial is essentially going to be shot down, and the true Clan Wolf is going to be informed that they are in no way united with the exiles. Thats why i say i wouldn't be getting super comfy. And iits going to have to get back to the GC eventually, if only to get all the HW wolf forces to head back to the IS...and then it'll get out that the trial was illegal, doesnt actually count whatnot, and the true Wolves get their own fate back, and the Exiles get super-angry that their attempted coup didn't work

[Cannonshop]

There's another way to approach this, guys...

If the GC recognizes the absorption, potentially that puts a GC member in command of the SLDF, the conflict among the IS powers may be enough to pry the exiles out of the IS camp and place them, and all the information, contacts, contracts, etc. at their disposal...at the disposal of the Grand Council. (Citing the example of what happened with the RD over the last ten cycles or so...)

There are significant in-character benefits for dragging these folks back into the fold, including the ability to turn the SLDF itself against the Terrans, reclaiming the mantle of the SLDF from the "Traitor Lords" and there are public relations boons that can make conquest and occupation activities much, much easier.

Further, there are likely members of the Exiles whose initial love-affair with the IS has been soured by dealing with the local politics (ask NVA in OOC what kind of screwing his clan's gotten in their dealings with the Lyrans, for instance), Prodigals can be the most fanatical of all when they've returned (human nature that), so there are benefits to viewing this from the opposite side of things.

[tassa_kay]

Exactly.  And the Clans took the Nova Cats back, albeit in a slightly modified form, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Exiles would be welcomed back... especially since, as Cannonshop has pointed out, they could very well have something that the Clans need: intelligence. 

[Marlin]

So, Tassa, are you saying the Clans lack intelligence??



Thats so mean.. 

[Cannonshop]

Considering my position (and the really SCARY position I'll be in when C41 starts) I should NOT be giving you guys strategic advice-particularly not advice that makes your job easier, but I can't resist pointing out the obvious (okay,it's only obvious to ME..and Tassa...and a few others...), esp. since I'm going to be trying to survive as a mini-micro statelet with no shipyard, few factories (okay, one factory that is "Mine"), and limited trade options that include at least one predator who's saving me to eat later... and I'll probably have to really dance the diplomat dance hard not to get ROFLStomped (Deathrider6's word-I guess it originates in one of those MMORPG's I keep reading about...) before I get to go do something really, really, ill-advised on my own (well, besides forming a faction out of seven hexes right on the 'corner' of a couple major war-zones being fought over by titans who blow my whole future RP budget on office-supplies for their naval reserve contingent...)

It'll just be fun if I can find a way to wind a course between the feet of all these titans around me without getting stomped flat, absorbed, conquered, nuked, wiped out, or crushed.

[GraeGor]

Exactly.  And the Clans took the Nova Cats back, albeit in a slightly modified form, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Exiles would be welcomed back... especially since, as Cannonshop has pointed out, they could very well have something that the Clans need: intelligence. 

well, the Adder Khan has stated on several occasions that the only way they'd ever view the Exiles as Clan would be for them to either petition for acceptance directly, or merge with another Clan....and they have done just that

So while it will likely irk more than a few within the Adders, odds are they'll accept it...though they will probably tell them the same thing that the SLHC will: pick one side or the other and live with the consequences of that decision

[GraeGor]

Lan has overcome quite a bit to get where he is, and has had a huge role in getting the Adder SpecOp where it is. Off camera (ie, stuff I havent actually written out) has developed a training regimen for Adder Watch Field Operatives that makes Clan Boot Camp look easy by comparison (it has a higher "death by training accident" ratio by nearly 3 to 1)

It's believed that he'll replace Cassius as the Adder's ISIA one day

[Daemonknight]

My posts are based on the assumption that the Exiles are an IS nation by choice. They have never attempted to contact the GC for re-integration while i have been here, and i've not heard anything about it every being attempted before my time. If that were to happen, I would think hard on it, but i have serious doubts about that being the course of action that NVA is going to take. And i would love to be proven wrong here, because it could be a huge boon to the Clan cause to have a united Clan Wolf fighting FOR the Clans(although the SLDF will not actually attack the IS nations, being that the SLDF is made up of House military forces).

Would I like to see the Exiles come back into the fold, with all their operational intelligence, military and political secrets, and whatnot? Abso-damn-lutely! Do i expect that to happen? Not at all.

I will be watching the RP threads carefully. If the Exiles try and break away the true Wolves from the GC, then i'll jump at the chance to invalidate their Trial. Theres no way that Diana is going to sit back and let an entire Clan be taken by a shady half-Trial without a fight.

[NVA]

Well, Diana invalidating the trial won't really mean much.  One, she is a Falcon.  Two, she is a Falcon.  Three, the Wolves never really cared what others thought in that regards.  As has been stated, the clans believe in Might makes right.  They don't cower behind political trickery.  The Exiles have defeated the other Wolves.  They defeated their Khan.  The other Wolves had been using political and trickery to avoid fights not to their advantage.  I believe a rank and file warrior would have been questioning their clan leadership.  Now, the Exiles have come along and said 'We have been doing it this way and we believe we are stronger than you.  We will prove we are right in combat and then lead a unified Wolf.'  Remember, this is not two seperate clans.  It is two groups claiming to be the same group.  Will it be clean and perfect?  No.  Not at all.  Do I expect trouble on both sides?  I would be stupid to consider elsewise.  So, the Spider Keshik just validated Ulric and Phelan.