OOC Thread

[NVA]

Tje events and conversations in the sl and gc I had always assumed were NOT IC public knowledge, unless someone splashed them out.

[GreyJaeger]

SL vote was broadcast...look at the News Thread.

[NVA]

Yes, Ledos statement was broadcast.  But, there is no word about Marco standing down as Khan, etc.

[GreyJaeger]

Yes, Ledos statement was broadcast.  But, there is no word about Marco standing down as Khan, etc.

And where has anyone, IC, said he has among the Clans? What is your point?

[NVA]

Turn 41...Special broadcast.

[Daemonknight]

Exactly: turn 41, after a period of time has passed, after Marco Hall has had time to both be elected and step down. I don't see the issue with the broadcast. But if your argument is that because you didn't explicitly tell everyone about the entire proceedings of the SL Council meeting, then you shouldn't have made a post in the IS News Thread.

By posting a headline in that thread, you imply that there is some type of news coverage in the SLDF Council: basing off the US and most European govornments currently, I'd say theres full on news cameras and paper reporters allowed inside. They'll consider something like a Clan Khan being elected general very important, front page news. Likewise, his stepping down as his Clan's Khan would be in that news report: it was a part of his acceptance speech. If he had done it at some other time, when it wasn't such a public setting, I would agree that it wouldn't be widespread knowlage. But by announcing it in a public setting, and then posting evidence of the news coverage of the event, you allowed for the information to be disseminated.

So, yes: you did tell everyone. If your going to argue that the IS's news networks are going to tell everyone that Marco Hall, Wolf-in-Exile Khan was elected SLDF Commanding General, but NOT tell the part about where Hall steps down as Khan, I would disagree vehemently. There are only headlines with basic outlines of events in that thread- there are no full news stories, they are supposed to be snippets from larger publications or broadcasts, so arguing that you didn't explicity state he was stepping down don't matter- it happened at the same time as the main story, and would be included.

[Cannonshop]

Ah, and here I was going to start coming up with a host of rumours about having a Khan in command of the SLDF, how the Wolves might change the tenor of operations, and whether or not the 'new' SLDF was doomed to become another Clan instrument-you know, get some controversy up and stuff...as in "IN character" controversy, instead of this "OUT of character" controversy that's got everyone in an uproar...

[Daemonknight]

If there is an uproar, I'm not aware of it. Its a calm discussion about whether or not the exact details of Marco Hall's actions are public knowledge. As far as I am concerned, its a good move for the SLDF to make him general(and might do some good in their war against the Clans, though it won't help you, mwuahah! ) Its still a friendly discussion, unless there's been some behind the scenes talk I'm not aware of.

[NVA]

One announcement of one speech by one representative was made.  If you note in the al thread sp, he specifically told them to broadcast his speech.  The SL council and the GC have the same privacy expectations.  Unless something is specifically posted, it is not public knowledge.  You are suggesting that there has been more coverage of it.  So far, that one post and what it made public are all that is known.

[Daemonknight]

Wait, so Hall told them to broadcast his speech? Isn't that where he told them he stepped down as Khan? I guess my point is that it doesn't make sense to me to argue that the SL meetings are all super secret, and that nobody knows what goes on inside except for the members of the council itself. Regardless, word of mouth would make the news travel fast: again, a Khan stepping down is a big deal.

Choose your method of transfer, you can't tell me that nobody outside that room knows. There will be a paper trail: the promotion of the new Khan among the Exiles: the SLDF generals will most likly be discussing taking orders from a Clanner who isn't really a Clanner anymore. I'll conceed that there is a slight possibility that there is no direct news coverage of the speech...slight possibility. But either way, people talk. Its not like a secret project in a facility where the only people who know whats going on arn't leaving the building or something. Theres visible repercussions of his stepping down.

[GreyJaeger]

 NVA does have a point about the SLHC having the same privacy "protections" as the GC. However, it has been a week in RL, and two weeks in game time. Rumors would be flying, and there will be a crap load of chatter going on and any Clan sharing space with the Wolves would be hearing. So I agree that Daemon should change the wording to at least it is rumored that Hall stepped down

But to say imply that there is absolutely no kind of chatter about Hall stepping down after two weeks of game time? Yeah, that is a touch ridiculous.

[Daemonknight]

Thats why it is posted not in turn 40, but in turn 41- it is recorded, but it is held back to reflect the time being taken to confirm, and ensure that the facts are there. Techniclly, it still hasn't happened yet.

[NVA]

And yet it is posted.  My request was to wait to post those things.  My request was to be able to have time to deal with real life and holidays to get the posts out.  For one, there will be an official announcement that the clans will be able to respond to.  But, I have been busy irl.  I would appreciate the courtesy of respecting the request, rather than continued debate.  I acknowledge that no new posts have been made and I thank everyone.  I am done discussing the security of the SL council, etc, and rather we get to know everything via rumor, etc.

[GreyJaeger]

Umm...We are in 41. At least to the best of my knowledge... Which is known to be wildly unreliable...  

[Daemonknight]

Ah, see I was under the impression that the turn didn't offically start untill the orders were passed in. If that isn't that case, it's my own mis-interpertation.

And I posted if prior to you requesting that nobody say anything about the Trial NVA.