OOC Thread

[Marlin]

Seems you are not following what happened. Terrans were the last to use OB. Those that used Nukes are no Clan anymore and will soon cease to exist. Also that were Scientists. I also have not seen any genocide so far.

Rather, your allies the Dracs killed a free government without a word by the Wolvies in Exile.. now your turn again.

[NVA]

Terrans used nukes in response to OrBomb.  Standard escalation.  Secondly, IC, we are not aware of it.  And, what free government was destroyed by the dracs?

[Marlin]

Um.. when did the Terrans use nukes??

I mean Planting. And Leskovic you helped them.

[Holt]

Seems you are not following what happened. Terrans were the last to use OB. Those that used Nukes are no Clan anymore and will soon cease to exist. Also that were Scientists. I also have not seen any genocide so far.

Rather, your allies the Dracs killed a free government without a word by the Wolvies in Exile.. now your turn again.

The smoking ruins of Schwartz tell you the Terrans were not the last ones to use OB....

Free government? It wasnt under my watch but;
Leskovic saw no action; "No enemy action. This operation is complete." So no free government was killed unless i dont have the invisible ink font installed.
Planting their was much killing. Right or wrong the world was garrisoned by clan troops "35 FP vs. 3.5 FP of defenders" given that if militia would have been the only thing on the planet, defenders would have been 1FP. Since their is no officials left to say if the DC was right or wrong, except the DC itself, well the official line would be a clan ploy.

Of course all this is subject to everyones IC interpretation as they see fit; if they want to say the DC murdered innocents, et all. Well the DC found baby-0s and kidz-mix cereal in the clans kitchens, right next to the hot dogs made with 100% genuine unbaptized baby meat, no filler included.

[Marlin]

BTW, Dave, will the ICe Hellions get some more Info from their findings on Strana Mechty?

[tassa_kay]

If the Nova Cats can get back in, the Exiled Wolves could certainly make a case for it.  Especially if the Crusader Wolves end up getting their asses kicked in this game (and they very well could... look at their territory, eep!).

[NVA]

If the Nova Cats can get back in, the Exiled Wolves could certainly make a case for it.  Especially if the Crusader Wolves end up getting their asses kicked in this game (and they very well could... look at their territory, eep!).

Point is...WHY would the Exiles WANT back in?  They see the Grand Council, as a whole, as more corrupt and sickly than the IS.  The Adders were allowed to spit all over the trial system.  Clans using Orbital Bombardment and getting away with it <see CJF>.  Nukes now in play.  Other reasons as well.  We have no taste for the current Grand Council.  Maybe, if it decided to TRULY clean house, maybe.  But, the members of the Grand Council, many of them, act less clan than some of the IS factions, etc. 

[tassa_kay]

If the Nova Cats can get back in, the Exiled Wolves could certainly make a case for it.  Especially if the Crusader Wolves end up getting their asses kicked in this game (and they very well could... look at their territory, eep!).

Point is...WHY would the Exiles WANT back in?  They see the Grand Council, as a whole, as more corrupt and sickly than the IS.  The Adders were allowed to spit all over the trial system.  Clans using Orbital Bombardment and getting away with it <see CJF>.  Nukes now in play.  Other reasons as well.  We have no taste for the current Grand Council.  Maybe, if it decided to TRULY clean house, maybe.  But, the members of the Grand Council, many of them, act less clan than some of the IS factions, etc. 

Um, I couldn't care less what a Clan of traitors thinks, to be honest.  I was just saying that they could make a case to go in.  I'd certainly vote against it, regardless.

[Dave Baughman]

BTW, Dave, will the ICe Hellions get some more Info from their findings on Strana Mechty?

Yes. Right now I am buried up to my eyeballs with orders for both campaigns, but I will try to get all intel reports for 3062 out in the next few days... including the supplementary intel report from Strana Mechty.

[Marlin]

Thanks Dave. Coolio.

If you are swamped too much, consider Josh or another dude as Co-GM to load off some burden. Or extend the Cycle or sth. No need to waste our only GM. 

[NVA]

Ahhh...But canon backs me up that being part of the GC is not part of the definition of being clan.  Otherwise, the IS clans are no more and, as such, we see NO clans in the future. 

Remember, clan is a way of life, not a membership in a political body.

[GreyJaeger]

Ahhh...But canon backs me up that being part of the GC is not part of the definition of being clan.  Otherwise, the IS clans are no more and, as such, we see NO clans in the future. 

Remember, clan is a way of life, not a membership in a political body.

Which you toss out the window, or go retrieve it on a whim, when it suits you. I have no issue with the hypocrisy IC, but your OOC crap is getting quite old.

[GraeGor]

I can buy that being part of the GC doesnt denote Clan-ness, but it does confer recognition by the other Clans regardless of the Exiles perspective/opinion of what constitutes being Clan, and they would be fully aware of that particular detail...so they shouldnt bitch about being treated unfairly....

how many turns were the Exiles allowed to have their two worlds WITHOUT interference because "it wasnt public knowledge" that they took over worlds, while other Factions had to contend with Exile raids/Trials, without the opportunity to respond in kind...seems rather "unfair" from my point of view, and possibly others


the IS is always going to view the Exiles with suspicion DUE to their claims of being Clan, which in this case works against them, and being part of the SLHC doesnt win them any points with the Clans, who for the most part still view ALL Successor Houses as being responsible for the fall of the first SL


if the Exiles are so convinced the GC is corrupt, then why arent they doing anything about it...

shouldnt matter who started with the OB, everyone is using it, so IF the Exiles are so against it, why havent they done anything about it

dont like nukes being used, then why havent the Exiles done anything about it


if the Exiles want to see the GC change, then become part of it, initiate reforms and fight for those changes that the reforms would represent, until that time, the Exiles will be perceived as outsiders at best, and bandits at worst, and treated accordingly

if the Exiles want to see change within the IS/3rd SL, then start taking the lead...for isnt part of the mentallity of being Kerensky's Clan mean being leaders, even if those that follow dont agree with where youre leading them


all anyone has really heard from the Exiles is proclamations and lyrical rhetoric, yet have SEEN damn little action...they need to stand up and fight for their beliefs for a change, for if they are really Clan, they should be willing to die for those beliefs, even if it means their death as a Clan


the Exiles, in a sense, are similar to Israel, who even though they were recognized by the vast majority of the Western Nations/UN (US, UK, Germany, Canada, etc), most of the Middle East/PLO didnt recognize Israel as a nation until like 1993, and throughout those nearly 50 years they had to for their right to exist, which is more than the Exiles have done for the most part, unless trapped/cornered with no avenue of escape or ally nearby to aid them


so until the Exiles finally decide to come down off their pedestal and start taking actions in accordance with their principles, heedless of the likely outcome, expect them to continue being viewed as suspect by all parties

[NVA]

Well, we ARE doing something about it.  I do not believe the IS used OrBomb or Nukes until this cycle.  And, it isn't all that surprising for them.  It is the idea of clan superiority being lost by the 'clans' that I am referring to.  As  the 'little' clan, it should fall on us to use every dirty, sneaky, trick to survive, etc.  Instead, we have faced overwhelming numbers, orbital bombardment, etc, and continue to do so in the clan way.  And, it takes time to move an entire touman, but, we are in the process of doing something about it.  We have been on the front nearly the entire war, even if we weren't involved in some of the major fights.  So, we have put our touman where our mouth is. 

And, part of my problem all along has been the players ignoring canon when the formed their opinions.  I understand OOC some people HATE what the Exiles stand for.  However, the IC opinion should at least be formed based on the canon.  Does it require lockstep?  No.  But,  that is just my take on how to role play a faction.  Otherwise, I could have easily made the Exiles mercs and been doing very well or other similar solution.  But, it did not fit IC.  I have tweaked and twisted a bit, but have tried to remain close to what I believe is true for my faction.  Which means I have remained on friendly terms with clans that canon says I should.

[Lord Harlock]

Hey, it wasn't the FedSuns' fault about the Blackwind Lancers. Damn them to the lowest level of Hell for their use of nukes. I just had to pay reparations because of them. I could have built a Fox with all the bells and whistle this turn if not for their actions.

Oh well to prevent anyone else from using the remaining St. Ives Republic's nukes, I will be transporting them to the Outback to be properly taken care of. Does anyone mind if the Dark seems to fly into the them as we set them off?