OOC Thread

[GraeGor]

well, looks like Amanda Ngo is now officially orphaned.

Clan Star Adder has some very good orphanages/schools...and we keep adding more

[LittleH13]

http://intelser.org/forums/index.php?topic=358.msg4689#msg4689


Just and FYI

[DisGruntled]

http://intelser.org/forums/index.php?topic=358.msg4689#msg4689


Just and FYI

Should we add a new column to the military orders worksheet and if so where? (so it's all in the same place)

I know I have some of the older maps on my pc at home.  I'll take a look and let you know what all I have.

well, looks like Amanda Ngo is now officially orphaned.

Clan Star Adder has some very good orphanages/schools...and we keep adding more

Plus, we've already got some Steiners and Centrellas in the system so she'd be in fine company.

[GraeGor]

Plus, we've already got some Steiners and Centrellas in the system so she'd be in fine company.

oooo....that's right....I had totally spaced that character....hehehehehe

[Cannonshop]

well, looks like Amanda Ngo is now officially orphaned.

Clan Star Adder has some very good orphanages/schools...and we keep adding more

Just remember who the babysitters are-they worked for 'mom's' side of the family.

Of course, it's twenty years or more before Amanda can actually DO anything-she's only a few months old...

[GraeGor]

Just remember who the babysitters are-they worked for 'mom's' side of the family.

Stan actually likes "mom's" side of the family...it was dad he has had issues with

Of course, it's twenty years or more before Amanda can actually DO anything-she's only a few months old...

that's ok, and actually works better for the Adders mentality

[Iron Mongoose]

Well, at 8 months my son oversaw the absorbtion of the Cobras, so perhaps its not so long to wait after all...

[Lord Harlock]

Well before I totally log out for awhile, I'd just like to point out that Michaelson Heavy Industries is troubled by the problems of its chief rival in the heavy industries market. And if I was still running the Suns, it would offer a nice price to buy all of Ngo's assets to move it to a better spot in the Inner Sphere say somewhere in the Suns near the Terran Hegemony. Hell, they would even take Amanda Ngo to raise her in the collective ways of Michaelson Heavy Industries.

[Jeyar]

Not sure how to handle this issue.

The CoPS structure has some "standing" orders, but to decide to do anything new, we have to have a majority. Unfortunately we have OOC issues hitting IC roleplay.

So far as I know, there is no Niops player, and the OA is being lead by Par, who would then be in the awkward position of playing on both sides of a war - not a slam on Par, just saying it would be awkward to do, as what Par views as IC reasoning may not match what others view as what would be reasonable IC. Toss in a missing factory and we have loads of fun there.

Would it be fair to ask for GM assistance as a neutral party (esp. as Niops, as they are still a small nation)? Give up until we get more players? Hope that someone triggers one of the standing orders and allows the CoPS structure to lurch into motion again?

Suggestions would be great!

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Other issue: what is the rule for the amount to be sent to the SL for "membership fees"?

[LittleH13]

Hello all. I come with yet another new version of the turn 40 map. Please remember that this is a work in progress and we will be making more beneficial changes to the overall map. This should be good for us to move forward with the turn. If you have any corrections to the map please remember to post them in the appropriate thread and to be very clear about the who, what, and where of the correction.


http://www.intelser.org/Hauptmann/FGCMaps



PS- Long time players........I still need maps from turn 27 back to turn 1. You have all my contact info. I look forward to hearing from you.


-Josh

[Dave Baughman]

Not sure how to handle this issue.

The CoPS structure has some "standing" orders, but to decide to do anything new, we have to have a majority. Unfortunately we have OOC issues hitting IC roleplay.

So far as I know, there is no Niops player, and the OA is being lead by Par, who would then be in the awkward position of playing on both sides of a war - not a slam on Par, just saying it would be awkward to do, as what Par views as IC reasoning may not match what others view as what would be reasonable IC. Toss in a missing factory and we have loads of fun there.

Would it be fair to ask for GM assistance as a neutral party (esp. as Niops, as they are still a small nation)? Give up until we get more players? Hope that someone triggers one of the standing orders and allows the CoPS structure to lurch into motion again?

Suggestions would be great!


This is really a roleplaying issue for you guys to work out. If you collectively don't trust the OWA and don't want Parmenion's characters to be in the decision making process, then act accordingly and then deal with whatever IC consequences come from it. Parmenion certainly isn't the only player on both sides of the war (I direct you to your Randis play, for one, and I feel obliged to point out that at one point the ilKhan was being played by a COPS member), and indeed FGC has historically always allowed players to run both Clan and IS factions concurrently.

Shoot me a PM if you would like to discuss this further, but this really seems like a matter that needs to be worked out internally within the COPS.

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Other issue: what is the rule for the amount to be sent to the SL for "membership fees"?

There are no rules. Contributing (or not contributing) is a roleplaying decision. Of course, if an SL member chose to withhold dues, they would have to deal with the in-character consequences I presume.

[LittleH13]

Thank you to all players that have sent me Old FGC maps. We now have back to turn 20. We also have turns 16,14,11 and 8. If anyone can fill in the holes that would be appreciated.


-Josh

[Jeyar]

This is really a roleplaying issue for you guys to work out.

That then is the suggestion. Probably a good one. I probably should leave things at that. Not going to.

If you collectively don't trust the OWA and don't want Parmenion's characters to be in the decision making process, then act accordingly and then deal with whatever IC consequences come from it.

Trying to make it so Par wasn't going to have to WORRY about it at all, by generating an IC workaround to an OOC situation. Which BTW - to state again - also involves Niops which has NO players. Now I've had to do these things (IC workarounds) plenty of times in the past, when GM's make rule changes on the fly and I have to make up a reason for prior actions, but this time it is a case of lack of players, either from not existing, or trying to not have them in an uncomfortable position.

Parmenion certainly isn't the only player on both sides of the war (I direct you to your Randis play, for one, and I feel obliged to point out that at one point the ilKhan was being played by a COPS member), and indeed FGC has historically always allowed players to run both Clan and IS factions concurrently.

Randis play? I can DEFINITELY say I have no sure idea what you are talking about. If you are talking about the early game situation where I had to get FoR defined to some degree (allies, neutral party or even potentially take them over) in order to get to the TD, then that could have been quickly handled thousands of ways by the GMs, instead every... little... step... had... to... be... drawn... out... for... turns... before... they... dropped... a... dumb... harsh... rule... made... up... for... the... TC... special - all of one turn before the FS took the TD. Yeah! Since this shades MY reputation, both at a critical juncture, publicly AND reinforces Parm's old insinuations/accusations/declarations (don't want to quibble wording) from the old NCR issue – in spite of the old agreements and TC forces being shot and it being a GM's accidental, but long, long running series of mistakes that allowed the situation to get so big - and admitted to it after, I definitely want a PM on this puppy. Shoot, I am still waiting on the PM on my last set of clarifications.

However regarding the issue at hand, this isn't LIKE the standard IS + Clan situation, for one thing we are talking about 2 IS nations that are directly at war. For another we are talking about a straight up vote – no circle of equals or any of that – so it would be an added burden on Parm to show the reasoning behind a vote in order to NOT seem like anything funny is going on. Maybe people don't get my perspective here – when there is a path for a potential conflict of interest – it makes things harder for the person in that situation even if they don't/can't step down. Yes, this assumes innocence, but that is easy to do beforehand, and HARD after you've been shot down a few times. Want a way to bypass the entire situation that makes sense IC.

Shoot me a PM if you would like to discuss this further, but this really seems like a matter that needs to be worked out internally within the COPS.

So, that is the general suggestion from the start. Probably a good one, but misses entirely the whole issue of Niops having no player (internal from a void?) and the intent of not wanting to put a player in another awkward situation.

There are no rules. Contributing (or not contributing) is a roleplaying decision. Of course, if an SL member chose to withhold dues, they would have to deal with the in-character consequences I presume.

I suppose I am asking if anyone remembers what the "rules" are for GENERATING those dues, and can link them, that way I can make sure I am following them. So no one can 3 turns down the road accuse me of not following them...

[Iron Mongoose]

I think Dave ment to say "Look at your Randis Player" who for years has done his best to work both sides of the fence.  Personaly, I would respond that while I did and have done my best to be objective when fighting wars with myself, the process had been made a lot easier by the great groups of people I've had with me in most every faction I've run, so I've hardly had to go it alone.

As to the OA, having been OA I've got some inside knolage so I can't say more as to the ICness of what's going on.

[Parmenion]

Jeyar... I think the 6th June will sort this out for you.

cheers

This is really a roleplaying issue for you guys to work out.

That then is the suggestion. Probably a good one. I probably should leave things at that. Not going to.

If you collectively don't trust the OWA and don't want Parmenion's characters to be in the decision making process, then act accordingly and then deal with whatever IC consequences come from it.

Trying to make it so Par wasn't going to have to WORRY about it at all, by generating an IC workaround to an OOC situation. Which BTW - to state again - also involves Niops which has NO players. Now I've had to do these things (IC workarounds) plenty of times in the past, when GM's make rule changes on the fly and I have to make up a reason for prior actions, but this time it is a case of lack of players, either from not existing, or trying to not have them in an uncomfortable position.

Parmenion certainly isn't the only player on both sides of the war (I direct you to your Randis play, for one, and I feel obliged to point out that at one point the ilKhan was being played by a COPS member), and indeed FGC has historically always allowed players to run both Clan and IS factions concurrently.

Randis play? I can DEFINITELY say I have no sure idea what you are talking about. If you are talking about the early game situation where I had to get FoR defined to some degree (allies, neutral party or even potentially take them over) in order to get to the TD, then that could have been quickly handled thousands of ways by the GMs, instead every... little... step... had... to... be... drawn... out... for... turns... before... they... dropped... a... dumb... harsh... rule... made... up... for... the... TC... special - all of one turn before the FS took the TD. Yeah! Since this shades MY reputation, both at a critical juncture, publicly AND reinforces Parm's old insinuations/accusations/declarations (don't want to quibble wording) from the old NCR issue – in spite of the old agreements and TC forces being shot and it being a GM's accidental, but long, long running series of mistakes that allowed the situation to get so big - and admitted to it after, I definitely want a PM on this puppy. Shoot, I am still waiting on the PM on my last set of clarifications.

However regarding the issue at hand, this isn't LIKE the standard IS + Clan situation, for one thing we are talking about 2 IS nations that are directly at war. For another we are talking about a straight up vote – no circle of equals or any of that – so it would be an added burden on Parm to show the reasoning behind a vote in order to NOT seem like anything funny is going on. Maybe people don't get my perspective here – when there is a path for a potential conflict of interest – it makes things harder for the person in that situation even if they don't/can't step down. Yes, this assumes innocence, but that is easy to do beforehand, and HARD after you've been shot down a few times. Want a way to bypass the entire situation that makes sense IC.

Shoot me a PM if you would like to discuss this further, but this really seems like a matter that needs to be worked out internally within the COPS.

So, that is the general suggestion from the start. Probably a good one, but misses entirely the whole issue of Niops having no player (internal from a void?) and the intent of not wanting to put a player in another awkward situation.

There are no rules. Contributing (or not contributing) is a roleplaying decision. Of course, if an SL member chose to withhold dues, they would have to deal with the in-character consequences I presume.

I suppose I am asking if anyone remembers what the "rules" are for GENERATING those dues, and can link them, that way I can make sure I am following them. So no one can 3 turns down the road accuse me of not following them...