OOC Thread

[LittleH13]

Baker 3 is now locked until I get with Dave in a couple of hours and we discuss the situation.

[chaosxtreme]

apt-get install etc etc

yum install etc etc

make etc etc

the man page is your friend. :-)

As a Sys Admin I have reasons to hate Microsoft, I have a reasons to hate Mac OSX, and I have reasons to hate every flavor of Linux/Unix.


Their uniform failure to eliminate PIC&K issues has induced much hate against them.

(Problem Inbetween Chair & Keyboard)

[Dave Baughman]

Baker 3 is now locked until I get with Dave in a couple of hours and we discuss the situation.

OK, Baker 3 is unlocked. Daemon, please see my reply and update us.

While I'm sure the deletion that started this whole mess was an accident, I have disabled the ability of regular users to delete posts going forward, just to avoid any repeats of the mix-up. If you have something you need deleted, just let Josh or I know and we will assist.

[Fatebringer]

So us foot-in-mouthers will have to come to you Meh, I see only good coming from this decision.

[Daemonknight]

Sorry if i made someone mad, or did something to make people suspicious. I already said in the thread i'll just surrender the hex to make everyone happy. I didnt think it was going to become something so big the GMs needed to get involved like that.

[tassa_kay]

Don't sweat it, DK.  You'll get that territory back and more when the Lyrans finally collapse.

[Daemonknight]

Heh, there is always that to keep me warm at night

[Dave Baughman]

Sorry if i made someone mad, or did something to make people suspicious. I already said in the thread i'll just surrender the hex to make everyone happy. I didnt think it was going to become something so big the GMs needed to get involved like that.

No anger involved, just trying to keep everything running smoothly. The mixup with the deletion is actually healthy for the game in the long run, since it highlighted the issue in a low-stress situation -- instead of it coming up during a major plot event or under circumstances where people might suspect foul play.

Basically, but having a completely innocent accidental deletion happen like this, it served as a "wake up call" for me as administrator that I needed to adjust the permissions in order to ensure document retention.

[Daemonknight]

Ok. So what does that mean for the outcome: will the 12 stand, resulting in the CJF defeating the Lyrans? Thats obviously what i would prefer, i offered the surrender just incase there was some suspicion or whatever.

[Cannonshop]

I'm in favour of letting him have three crit chances, and I've got story-reasons for the Lyrans to abandon the invasion (Dave knows what those are-among other things, the purge back in earlier cycles of Rowe-ists in the Navy resulted in some...interesting...choices of flag-captains, and Evelyn Mosovich is the commander-of-record for the 416th Commonwealth Guard.)

However, I'm NOT in favour of letting him get that win cheap.  (by "Cheap" I mean I'm not in favour of his proposed 95% reduction in Falcon Casualties.)

I just fought an impossible battle against the Adders, remember-and the only reason I had to accept Hegira, is that they (the Adders) were about to reinforce with some fifteen-to-one odds and the Marines were down to a tenth of a force-point.  If a bunch of scrub marine infantry from a minor world on the ass end of nowhere using borrowed gear can manage that (and, barring the sealed-orders, they would have actually held the world, the Adders at least, have been played as being that honourable in my presence), a Jade Falcon Galaxy should be able to do as well against an enemy whose will-to-conquer is...reduced and chain of command in tatters.

i.e. it's actually probable/likely that the Lyrans, with their government in chaos, might well be driven off yet inflict that kind of damage in that event- the Falcons get in a solid blow on the most fanatical elements (the Tamar Cavaliers) at the same time that the call to "Return Home" is recieved by the major asset-the ensuing mutiny guarantees that the bigger portion of the aerospace and warship contingent, and anyone that wants a ride out of there, is going to bolt, anybody stupid enough to hang around for the inevitable counter-attack deserves to die on site.


Further, "Force Destroyed" doesn't instantly equate into "Warriors Annihilated"-it means the Baker 3 situation reverts to the raid table (teh invasion is GOING to fail) and they pick up 50% of whatever gets killed there as salvage.

REmember, it's not heroic, if it's easy.

[NVA]

He has a choice, if the 12 stands.  Insta Win OR 3 crits.  Insta Win means some 'deus ex machina' gives him a victory.  Something unusual.  However, he does not ALSO get the three crits.  So, he should still take the total damage he took.

[Cannonshop]

He has a choice, if the 12 stands.  Insta Win OR 3 crits.  Insta Win means some 'deus ex machina' gives him a victory.  Something unusual.  However, he does not ALSO get the three crits.  So, he should still take the total damage he took.

And I'm offering a deus-ex-machina that already fits with where the plot is headed after Tharkad's destruction and the ensuing chaos generated thereby.  What commander in their right mind is going to fight a foreign war when there is a civil war brewing over at home?

He has the instant win
He keeps the territory
He takes his lumps and can rebuild if he so chooses.

[Dave Baughman]

OK, my break is about to end so I don't have time to go back and check the thread.

I noted something about negating 95% of the damage the Falcons took. The "12-crit instant win" only protects 10% of the defenders. Did the first 5% of the Lyran damage really wipe out all the defenders?

Either way, if the LC is fine with letting the 12 stand, so am I. We can work out the exact resolution in a way that everyone is happy with soon.

Also... um... yeah... 416th Commonwealth Guards (and indeed and of the so-called Commonwealth Guards). Probably gonna be having a change in their chain of command soon. Working it into the fluff from Baker 3 would be a neat RP hook.

[Cannonshop]

OK, my break is about to end so I don't have time to go back and check the thread.

I noted something about negating 95% of the damage the Falcons took. The "12-crit instant win" only protects 10% of the defenders. Did the first 5% of the Lyran damage really wipe out all the defenders?

Either way, if the LC is fine with letting the 12 stand, so am I. We can work out the exact resolution in a way that everyone is happy with soon.

Also... um... yeah... 416th Commonwealth Guards (and indeed and of the so-called Commonwealth Guards). Probably gonna be having a change in their chain of command soon. Working it into the fluff from Baker 3 would be a neat RP hook.

it was a pretty nasty case of over-kill in spite of a remarkably average roll on my part.  I'm good with letting up to 15% of the Falcon force survive with gear-intact, and inflict not only the instant-win, but also take three extra crits against the Lyrans in this situation, since it would give the Falcons something really awesome to brag to the other Clans over (Ripping a victory from the jaws of certain defeat-AFTER taking horrific losses against a vastly more powerful foe is ALWAYS good fodder for Rememberances and perusing the Clan IC threads, the Falcons need the Propoganda boost among the others, I think this might do that-but only if he is allowed to keep the world, and actually TAKES the horrific casualties.)

In-Character, driving off a force that size, with that much firepower, after taking heavy losses is something to make the unit as it is rebuilt drive to be truly the best, hardest men in the Touman-it raises the bar and creates legends that stand head and shoulders over their peers.

(also,I want the arguing to bloody stop, but I won't nerf my damage to do it, not even for someone I consider to be potentially really cool to game with.)

[Dave Baughman]

According to the rules...

12 three critical events should be rolled or victory declared with the defender retreating*

*choice of player who rolls the critical event, if forcing retreat is called then a minimum of 10% of this players forces survive, after calculating that turns damage.

The Falcons are only guaranteed 10% of their force surviving if they take the "declare victory" option... so I think that will satisfy your desire for no more than 15% of the Falcon force to live and possibly even exceed it.

Also, Cannonshop, +1 for being a good sport with regard to this whole situation.