OOC Thread

[GI Journalist]

Nonetheless, it is an odd pairing.  Unions previously established in the fiction had some kind of cultural link, such as the shared Norse influences of the Rasalhague Dominion or the mutual aerospace culture of the Ravens and the Outworlds. A team up of mere convenience doesn't bode well for a long term relationship, so hopefully this is more than an awkward link between exceptional ground and aerospace forces from wildly different factions.

The Hell Horses and the Outworlds Alliance are so different that its difficult to imagine how combining the two into one political entity can be successful. It's already been described in the chambers of the Star League as Hell's Alliance, and this might prove to be the more fitting name, as the two factions have no identifiable common ground. I'm also interested in how the faction leaders worked out the details of their new government. I'm curious as to how it is expected to work. 

[tassa_kay]

A few things here.

One, the Horses are probably a hell of a lot more compatible on a long-term basis with the Outworlds Alliance than most any other Clan out there, considering that the Horses canonically have attitudes towards freebirths that goes past "tolerance" to "respect", and they work better with their lower castes than almost any other Clan does, which I'm sure the Outworlders would appreciate.  I really don't see how they have no common ground to stand on... especially since the Ravens have WAY less "common ground" with the Outworlders than the Horses.  (And no, a "mutual aerospace culture" isn't "common ground"... and it's not even really all that accurate, either.)

Two, it doesn't really matter what everyone ELSE thinks that the merger should be called.  Parm has already given it a name, and I think it's rather rude and presumptuous for people to try to change that name for him.  He's put in a looooooot of work RP-wise to make this happen, and people should try to respect that, even if they prefer "Hell's Alliance" to "Horse Alliance".  That name really makes no sense, either, since by that standard, the canonical Raven-OA merger should be called the "Snow Alliance", right?  But no, just like the Raven Alliance did, Parm has placed the totem root word in the name, and that makes much more sense.

[JediBear]

Well, the RP leading up to this has been going on for a long time

The Horses trying to make moves on the OWA goes back to my time as a player, but back then, the OWA's positions were:
Clanners? Hell no!
Star League? Hell no!
Agressive military alliance of periphery nations? Hell no!

I'm a touch distressed that all of those were reversed so completely in so short a time.

I'm half-tempted to try to join up just so I can role-play widespread protests. And bombings.

You have to understand, the Horses are the direct antithesis of the OWA. And I'm not just saying that as a Ghost Bear. I kinda like the Horses OOC.

And then there's the fact that, other than the Star League discussing it, there's been no real direct evidence that this major political shift has happened.

A few things here.

One, the Horses are probably a hell of a lot more compatible on a long-term basis with the Outworlds Alliance than most any other Clan out there, considering that the Horses canonically have attitudes towards freebirths that goes past "tolerance" to "respect", and they work better with their lower castes than almost any other Clan does, which I'm sure the Outworlders would appreciate.

That's neither entirely true nor saying much. It's not saying much because the war-focused culture of the Clans is anathema to the people of the Outworlds Alliance. They'd no sooner stand for it than sell themselves into slavery, prostitute their daughters, or murder their neighbors. Outworlders feel very strongly about things like these and Clanners celebrate everything they despise.

It's also not entirely true because there are several Clans with a greater cultural affinity with the OWA than the Horses enjoy. The Horses might respect their lower castes (note: not a common quality. The OWA isn't much on respecting people whose job/lifestyle differs. Far from tolerant, they're frequently out-and-out bigots, even where their own military is concerned,) but they could never understand the Omniss like a Cloud Cobra.

 I really don't see how they have no common ground to stand on... especially since the Ravens have WAY less "common ground" with the Outworlders than the Horses.  (And no, a "mutual aerospace culture" isn't "common ground"... and it's not even really all that accurate, either.)

A common military style isn't much to go on, but it's at least something, and not the "you celebrate everything I despise" that defines the relationship between the OWA and the Horses going both ways.

Two, it doesn't really matter what everyone ELSE thinks that the merger should be called.  Parm has already given it a name, and I think it's rather rude and presumptuous for people to try to change that name for him.

It has an official name. And other people get to call it whatever they want.

Like "Clan Camel" "Horse Alliance" is a goofy name, and people are going to mock it IC.

[tassa_kay]

That's neither entirely true nor saying much. It's not saying much because the war-focused culture of the Clans is anathema to the people of the Outworlds Alliance. They'd no sooner stand for it than sell themselves into slavery, prostitute their daughters, or murder their neighbors. Outworlders feel very strongly about things like these and Clanners celebrate everything they despise.

And yet the Raven Alliance stands.  So this really doesn't matter much, because TPTB obviously don't agree with you on this point.

It's also not entirely true because there are several Clans with a greater cultural affinity with the OWA than the Horses enjoy.The Horses might respect their lower castes (note: not a common quality. The OWA isn't much on respecting people whose job/lifestyle differs. Far from tolerant, they're frequently out-and-out bigots, even where their own military is concerned,) but they could never understand the Omniss like a Cloud Cobra.

Again, given the Raven Alliance's existence, this really doesn't matter.  And just because the Cobras might understand the Omniss (which is debatable; they might be the "religion Clan", but that doesn't mean the high-tech Cobras and the tech-hating Omniss are more inclined to get along) doesn't mean that they're a better fit for the Outworlds.  And it's a moot point, anyway, since the Cobras no longer exist in the FGC.

A common military style isn't much to go on, but it's at least something, and not the "you celebrate everything I despise" that defines the relationship between the OWA and the Horses going both ways.

And other than the shared aerospace preferences (which is again debatable, since the Ravens favor naval assets more than aerospace assets), the Ravens are just as compatible with the Outworlders as the Horses are.  Less so, actually, since as I stated, the Horses look upon non-warriors better than the Ravens do.

It has an official name. And other people get to call it whatever they want.

Of course they can.  People can always feel free to be asshats.

[Jeyar]

Hey, the TC has been approached by 3 clans. My polite answer has always been no.

In my mind, well, the TC was the first clan - just it took the SL to hold us down. 

[tassa_kay]

LOL, and what Clan were you, Clan Paranoid Bull?

[GraeGor]

thanks for the idea TK


I hereby nominate the Taurian Concordant for membership amongst the Clans, and christen them Clan Diorite* Bull



*diorite is a stone where only diamond is harder apparently

[tassa_kay]

Mine was funnier. 

[GraeGor]

Mine was funnier. 

true, but I went that extra distance and got a tad more creative

[tassa_kay]

true, but I went that extra distance and got a tad more creative

There really is such a thing as being too creative.  Just an FYI.

[GraeGor]

true, but I went that extra distance and got a tad more creative

There really is such a thing as being too creative.  Just an FYI.

really...guess I have reached that point yet....lol

[tassa_kay]

Heh.  That's debatable.  (I mean, really, Charlemagne Steiner?  You can do better than a bastardized Alaric rip-off.)

[Jeyar]

Clan Diorite Bull?

If I was going to go that far, then I'd go Clan Lonsdaleite Toro - Lonsdaleite is harder than diamond, and natural too - unfortunately it gets formed normally only in meteor impacts... 

[tassa_kay]

Yeah, you two should stick to florid RPing and leave the comedy to people who are actually funny. 

[Daemonknight]

When that funny person joins the convo, we can let them come up with a new clan name.